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		<title>By: Freelance Writing Jobs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Oldies but Goodies: A Look Back Through the FWJ Archives</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freelance Writing Jobs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Oldies but Goodies: A Look Back Through the FWJ Archives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When Freelance Writing Doesn&#8217;t Pay - A guest post by veteran freelancer Jeff Pfaller discussing steps one needs to take when promised payments don&#8217;t arrive. Discusses the importance of due diligence, when to take legal action and when to let it go. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] When Freelance Writing Doesn&#8217;t Pay &#8211; A guest post by veteran freelancer Jeff Pfaller discussing steps one needs to take when promised payments don&#8217;t arrive. Discusses the importance of due diligence, when to take legal action and when to let it go. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent post.  The advice about using BCC is gold -- I will surely remember to do this from now on.

I&#039;m currently dealing with a deadbeat for a pretty large amount ($1,310).  I gave him two months to pay before I said I would file in small claims and add on late fees.  I got a very nasty e-mail back from the client, telling me he &quot;never agreed to late fees&quot; and saying that he never got my invoice and that he&#039;d pay once I sent it to him.

Little did he know that the creative director for his company had sent me copies of all the e-mails he had sent to this client during the course of our project.  I had the sent e-mail from January 30 telling the client that my invoice was attached and I ALSO had a copy of the client responding to that e-mail, asking for my address so he could send me a check.  Keep in mind the client said he never got the invoice on March 13, over a month after he acknowledged that he received it.

It&#039;s now August and I am waiting for my small claims hearing.  This is one slippery client who is not intimidated by legal action in the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent post.  The advice about using BCC is gold &#8212; I will surely remember to do this from now on.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently dealing with a deadbeat for a pretty large amount ($1,310).  I gave him two months to pay before I said I would file in small claims and add on late fees.  I got a very nasty e-mail back from the client, telling me he &#8220;never agreed to late fees&#8221; and saying that he never got my invoice and that he&#8217;d pay once I sent it to him.</p>
<p>Little did he know that the creative director for his company had sent me copies of all the e-mails he had sent to this client during the course of our project.  I had the sent e-mail from January 30 telling the client that my invoice was attached and I ALSO had a copy of the client responding to that e-mail, asking for my address so he could send me a check.  Keep in mind the client said he never got the invoice on March 13, over a month after he acknowledged that he received it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s now August and I am waiting for my small claims hearing.  This is one slippery client who is not intimidated by legal action in the least.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No publisher or website owner asks to see your birth certificate before you will be hired. Some want to see a resume. Some want to see links to your work. And if you&#039;ve got nothing to show, you might have to write a sample.
Good luck! And loosen up. Your writing seems a bit rigid and formal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No publisher or website owner asks to see your birth certificate before you will be hired. Some want to see a resume. Some want to see links to your work. And if you&#8217;ve got nothing to show, you might have to write a sample.<br />
Good luck! And loosen up. Your writing seems a bit rigid and formal.</p>
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		<title>By: meg hartline</title>
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		<dc:creator>meg hartline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First and foremost,I believe that this is a thorough and well-planned article. Kudos.
Secondly, I would greatly enjoy the feedback of anyone with a response to the following quandary:
Is it not entirely out of the ordinary for a person of sixteen years to participate in the act of freelance-writing and turn a profit of some sort?
I am as of such and, though I lack the customary or more commonly accepted age, I lack not elsewhere and am confident in my abilities to more than complete any job assigned, within the deadline given.
It would be most helpful if you would accomodate me in replying.
I thank you and good evening,
Meg Hartline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First and foremost,I believe that this is a thorough and well-planned article. Kudos.<br />
Secondly, I would greatly enjoy the feedback of anyone with a response to the following quandary:<br />
Is it not entirely out of the ordinary for a person of sixteen years to participate in the act of freelance-writing and turn a profit of some sort?<br />
I am as of such and, though I lack the customary or more commonly accepted age, I lack not elsewhere and am confident in my abilities to more than complete any job assigned, within the deadline given.<br />
It would be most helpful if you would accomodate me in replying.<br />
I thank you and good evening,<br />
Meg Hartline.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/04/weekend-discussion-when-freelance-writing-doesnt-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-104</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The website where you can take a look at some of the names of people who have failed to pay other writers is http://writertowriterwarnings.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The website where you can take a look at some of the names of people who have failed to pay other writers is <a href="http://writertowriterwarnings.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://writertowriterwarnings.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/04/weekend-discussion-when-freelance-writing-doesnt-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-103</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff thanks for a great post. I would like to add a couple of things.

Always have a contract. I know the small jobs don&#039;t like them, and usually that should be a red flag right there. But have a stock contract of your own and when they say they don&#039;t use contracts, politely tell them, &quot;I will send you one of mine to sign.&quot; If they won&#039;t sign---you run in the other direction immediately!

I don&#039;t wait three months. My invoices clearly state that payment in full is due NET 10. So after 10 days I send a reminder. After 14 days I send the second reminder and after 21 days days I send the third reminder which reiterates the contract terms to remind them of what they signed with me.

I also have the late fee penalty and copyright clause in my contracts. I recently had to go the &quot;threaten&quot; route to collect on a $900.00 job but he paid it quickly once he saw that I cc&#039;d my attorney on the letter.

I do appreciate Jeff&#039;s tip about the BCC. I didn&#039;t realize you needed that as well.

Deb, great weekend discussion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff thanks for a great post. I would like to add a couple of things.</p>
<p>Always have a contract. I know the small jobs don&#8217;t like them, and usually that should be a red flag right there. But have a stock contract of your own and when they say they don&#8217;t use contracts, politely tell them, &#8220;I will send you one of mine to sign.&#8221; If they won&#8217;t sign&#8212;you run in the other direction immediately!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t wait three months. My invoices clearly state that payment in full is due NET 10. So after 10 days I send a reminder. After 14 days I send the second reminder and after 21 days days I send the third reminder which reiterates the contract terms to remind them of what they signed with me.</p>
<p>I also have the late fee penalty and copyright clause in my contracts. I recently had to go the &#8220;threaten&#8221; route to collect on a $900.00 job but he paid it quickly once he saw that I cc&#8217;d my attorney on the letter.</p>
<p>I do appreciate Jeff&#8217;s tip about the BCC. I didn&#8217;t realize you needed that as well.</p>
<p>Deb, great weekend discussion!</p>
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		<title>By: deb</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/04/weekend-discussion-when-freelance-writing-doesnt-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liza,

Please feel free to post the link here. One caveat: I&#039;d make darn sure a person is a deadbeat before hanging his name up for everyone to see. People don&#039;t take kindly to public accusations and it can open up a giant can of words.

Good luck!

Deb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liza,</p>
<p>Please feel free to post the link here. One caveat: I&#8217;d make darn sure a person is a deadbeat before hanging his name up for everyone to see. People don&#8217;t take kindly to public accusations and it can open up a giant can of words.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
<p>Deb</p>
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		<title>By: nikki</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/04/weekend-discussion-when-freelance-writing-doesnt-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-101</link>
		<dc:creator>nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, I just want to add that as a former 9-5 commuter, your advice on preparing, EVERY BIT OF IT, is just as important in the 9-5 grind as in the freelancing world. I have worked in many office situations before freelancing where properly preparing was my only way of a nice CYA when the poo-poo hit the fan! This is probably the most basic of information and the most important for all career minded folks but for some reason the most overlooked. In addition to Bcc myself, I would send that Bcc to my home email addy, one the IT department at work couldn&#039;t peek into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I just want to add that as a former 9-5 commuter, your advice on preparing, EVERY BIT OF IT, is just as important in the 9-5 grind as in the freelancing world. I have worked in many office situations before freelancing where properly preparing was my only way of a nice CYA when the poo-poo hit the fan! This is probably the most basic of information and the most important for all career minded folks but for some reason the most overlooked. In addition to Bcc myself, I would send that Bcc to my home email addy, one the IT department at work couldn&#8217;t peek into.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff pfaller</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/04/weekend-discussion-when-freelance-writing-doesnt-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff pfaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point on making it clear that you have the sole copyright on the material until they pay for it.

Any experience with that working? It seems like the folks that won&#039;t pay you probably don&#039;t care about copyright anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point on making it clear that you have the sole copyright on the material until they pay for it.</p>
<p>Any experience with that working? It seems like the folks that won&#8217;t pay you probably don&#8217;t care about copyright anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen. Small jobs, big jobs. I hate to be ripped off, even if it&#039;s $10. I have spent lots of time tracking down scoundrels and recovering what I was due. While it often might seem like a time to cut your losses and move on, unless the website or print publisher went out of business, I pursue the culprit. Just remember that these crooked creeps will be imboldened each time a writer lets them slide. Keep in mind that if we just ignore the &quot;petty thieves&quot;, I may be the victim today, and tomorrow it will be you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen. Small jobs, big jobs. I hate to be ripped off, even if it&#8217;s $10. I have spent lots of time tracking down scoundrels and recovering what I was due. While it often might seem like a time to cut your losses and move on, unless the website or print publisher went out of business, I pursue the culprit. Just remember that these crooked creeps will be imboldened each time a writer lets them slide. Keep in mind that if we just ignore the &#8220;petty thieves&#8221;, I may be the victim today, and tomorrow it will be you.</p>
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		<title>By: devon ellington</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/04/weekend-discussion-when-freelance-writing-doesnt-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>devon ellington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I&#039;ve found very helpful is, in the original contract, have a &quot;late fee&quot; clause -- if payment is not received by the date stated in our contract, I charge a 20% late fee, and every month above that, an additional 20% is added.

After three months, I start legal action.

So far, I&#039;ve never had to take the legal action -- and my fees have been paid, including late fees where appropriate. They are usually paid after the first late notice is sent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I&#8217;ve found very helpful is, in the original contract, have a &#8220;late fee&#8221; clause &#8212; if payment is not received by the date stated in our contract, I charge a 20% late fee, and every month above that, an additional 20% is added.</p>
<p>After three months, I start legal action.</p>
<p>So far, I&#8217;ve never had to take the legal action &#8212; and my fees have been paid, including late fees where appropriate. They are usually paid after the first late notice is sent.</p>
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		<title>By: deborah</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/04/weekend-discussion-when-freelance-writing-doesnt-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark - I&#039;m working on archiving them, then I&#039;ll have links to the discussions. I agree, they&#039;re valuable content.

Anons - Even if you weren&#039;t paid much, you can&#039;t allow yourself to be stiffed. If someone requested material from you and failed to pay, Google a few choice lines from each article to see if they were indeed used. If they were, inform the offending party they did not pay for them, and therefore do not have any rights to them. Their options are to:

A: Pay you for your work.
B: Remove them from the website
C: Expect legal action.

If need be, you can find a sample cease and desist online. If you need to go after the website&#039;s hosts, so be it. I once sent a note to a host and the whole website was taken down until they removed the content.

Do what you have to do but you&#039;re only taken advantage of if you allow it to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8211; I&#8217;m working on archiving them, then I&#8217;ll have links to the discussions. I agree, they&#8217;re valuable content.</p>
<p>Anons &#8211; Even if you weren&#8217;t paid much, you can&#8217;t allow yourself to be stiffed. If someone requested material from you and failed to pay, Google a few choice lines from each article to see if they were indeed used. If they were, inform the offending party they did not pay for them, and therefore do not have any rights to them. Their options are to:</p>
<p>A: Pay you for your work.<br />
B: Remove them from the website<br />
C: Expect legal action.</p>
<p>If need be, you can find a sample cease and desist online. If you need to go after the website&#8217;s hosts, so be it. I once sent a note to a host and the whole website was taken down until they removed the content.</p>
<p>Do what you have to do but you&#8217;re only taken advantage of if you allow it to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: chandra</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/04/weekend-discussion-when-freelance-writing-doesnt-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>chandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Blind copy yourself on all outgoing mail. If you have to provide proof of something in an email you sent out, finding it in your &quot;Sent&quot; folder isn&#039;t enough. A copy that has a &quot;Delivered on&quot; stamp and went through an email server somewhere is a must.&quot;

This was among the best advice in your excellent post, Jeff, and it&#039;s what helped me when I had a recent problem getting payment from an educational company I regularly work for on small jobs. I felt bad going after them at first because many educational publishers have very little revenue to begin with. But I was and am under a very elaborate and legal contract, which made me even more irked that they weren&#039;t honoring their own formal documents.

I resorted to sending emails to both my supervisor and the head of the payroll department each and every day with every single prior related message timestamped and properly documented at the bottom. After several weeks, I eventually got what I was owed, plus extra for the &quot;inconvenience.&quot;

Incidentally, I still complete assignments for the company when they ask because they&#039;re local and established. Believe me, though, I was very hesitant to after that nonpayment incident. The most important thing is that my paycheck now arrives like clockwork each pay period, sometimes even early.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Blind copy yourself on all outgoing mail. If you have to provide proof of something in an email you sent out, finding it in your &#8220;Sent&#8221; folder isn&#8217;t enough. A copy that has a &#8220;Delivered on&#8221; stamp and went through an email server somewhere is a must.&#8221;</p>
<p>This was among the best advice in your excellent post, Jeff, and it&#8217;s what helped me when I had a recent problem getting payment from an educational company I regularly work for on small jobs. I felt bad going after them at first because many educational publishers have very little revenue to begin with. But I was and am under a very elaborate and legal contract, which made me even more irked that they weren&#8217;t honoring their own formal documents.</p>
<p>I resorted to sending emails to both my supervisor and the head of the payroll department each and every day with every single prior related message timestamped and properly documented at the bottom. After several weeks, I eventually got what I was owed, plus extra for the &#8220;inconvenience.&#8221;</p>
<p>Incidentally, I still complete assignments for the company when they ask because they&#8217;re local and established. Believe me, though, I was very hesitant to after that nonpayment incident. The most important thing is that my paycheck now arrives like clockwork each pay period, sometimes even early.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/04/weekend-discussion-when-freelance-writing-doesnt-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deb:

Normally your posts have a very short half-life. These weekend discussion posts are going to be valuable one month, one year, even ten years from now. They need to be archived.

Is there any way to keep them, when you clean out the job posting listings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deb:</p>
<p>Normally your posts have a very short half-life. These weekend discussion posts are going to be valuable one month, one year, even ten years from now. They need to be archived.</p>
<p>Is there any way to keep them, when you clean out the job posting listings?</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/04/weekend-discussion-when-freelance-writing-doesnt-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about advice on renegotiating your contract with a long-term client who keeps changes the specs and expects you to work for the same pay or only nominal increases?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about advice on renegotiating your contract with a long-term client who keeps changes the specs and expects you to work for the same pay or only nominal increases?</p>
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		<title>By: laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;tell them that the copyright remains with me until I have been paid--and they have no right to use the work until then.&quot;

Excellent suggestion for new clients or small jobs!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;tell them that the copyright remains with me until I have been paid&#8211;and they have no right to use the work until then.&#8221;</p>
<p>Excellent suggestion for new clients or small jobs!!</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that works for me is to tell them that the copyright remains with me until I have been paid--and they have no right to use the work until then.This seems to intimidate most people. I also highly advise getting half upfront on deposit for website work, etc. The client demonstrates checkwriting ability--and if you get stiffed later you are only half as mad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that works for me is to tell them that the copyright remains with me until I have been paid&#8211;and they have no right to use the work until then.This seems to intimidate most people. I also highly advise getting half upfront on deposit for website work, etc. The client demonstrates checkwriting ability&#8211;and if you get stiffed later you are only half as mad.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, Jeffrey.
Good comments, all, and very good idea, Liza - I&#039;d visit when I&#039;m looking into a project!

My thoughts on this post were pretty much in line with what Liza was saying about small pay jobs. I do a many small jobs most of the time, and you just can&#039;t recoup enough from most of them to warrant too much of your time and energy going into chasing; legal action, even though you might be in the right, wouldn&#039;t ever pay eneough to bother with. I think Liza is right that that is exactly what some people are counting on.

That being said, I&#039;d be interested to see if people think there is a minimum amount that is worth chasing and what a minimum payment would be that is worth chasing through legal channels.

THanks again for the good advice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, Jeffrey.<br />
Good comments, all, and very good idea, Liza &#8211; I&#8217;d visit when I&#8217;m looking into a project!</p>
<p>My thoughts on this post were pretty much in line with what Liza was saying about small pay jobs. I do a many small jobs most of the time, and you just can&#8217;t recoup enough from most of them to warrant too much of your time and energy going into chasing; legal action, even though you might be in the right, wouldn&#8217;t ever pay eneough to bother with. I think Liza is right that that is exactly what some people are counting on.</p>
<p>That being said, I&#8217;d be interested to see if people think there is a minimum amount that is worth chasing and what a minimum payment would be that is worth chasing through legal channels.</p>
<p>THanks again for the good advice!</p>
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		<title>By: liza</title>
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		<dc:creator>liza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still a small time freelancer - and my problem is that I run into people who want small time work (less than 100 dollars) and who then fail to pay for it. The problem is that when this happens, there is really nothing anyone can do - there are some good &quot;warning&quot; sites that people can post documented cases of big time publishers that have failed to pay over 100 dollars. However, there really isn&#039;t anywhere that you can look online to find a list of names of people who have failed to pay small amounts. The fact is that a lot of people at the beginning work for small amounts. I do a lot of work per week, and I make decent money, but all of my money is coming in small amounts from no less than 10 different parties each week. If one of them stiffs me, I&#039;m out part of my pay but I can&#039;t really do anything because they&#039;ve only stiffed me 70 dollars or 90. And there are a lot of people who are scammers and who do this - go from writer to writer, getting small jobs, and no one is the wiser.

What we need is a forum or a blog where small time freelance writers can post names and/or email addresses to avoid - no legal action, nothing cut in stone, simply write a post that says &quot;i took 50 articles for &quot;so and so&quot;, and they didn&#039;t pay&quot; and then &quot;so and so&quot; can come to the blog if they want and refute the claim. or, other writers can see that &quot;so and so&quot; has been mentioned many times in many blogs or posts and if &quot;so and so&quot; offers THEM work, they might think again.

People who offer small jobs and don&#039;t pay need to be held accountable too. I&#039;m willing to put up a forum or a blog of some kind, but I don&#039;t know if anyone else is interested or if anyone else cares. Mail me at lizakollman . writer @ gmail.com (without spaces, of course) if you are interested in helping me, or at least in visiting the site if I set it up.

Good post though. Great tips!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still a small time freelancer &#8211; and my problem is that I run into people who want small time work (less than 100 dollars) and who then fail to pay for it. The problem is that when this happens, there is really nothing anyone can do &#8211; there are some good &#8220;warning&#8221; sites that people can post documented cases of big time publishers that have failed to pay over 100 dollars. However, there really isn&#8217;t anywhere that you can look online to find a list of names of people who have failed to pay small amounts. The fact is that a lot of people at the beginning work for small amounts. I do a lot of work per week, and I make decent money, but all of my money is coming in small amounts from no less than 10 different parties each week. If one of them stiffs me, I&#8217;m out part of my pay but I can&#8217;t really do anything because they&#8217;ve only stiffed me 70 dollars or 90. And there are a lot of people who are scammers and who do this &#8211; go from writer to writer, getting small jobs, and no one is the wiser.</p>
<p>What we need is a forum or a blog where small time freelance writers can post names and/or email addresses to avoid &#8211; no legal action, nothing cut in stone, simply write a post that says &#8220;i took 50 articles for &#8220;so and so&#8221;, and they didn&#8217;t pay&#8221; and then &#8220;so and so&#8221; can come to the blog if they want and refute the claim. or, other writers can see that &#8220;so and so&#8221; has been mentioned many times in many blogs or posts and if &#8220;so and so&#8221; offers THEM work, they might think again.</p>
<p>People who offer small jobs and don&#8217;t pay need to be held accountable too. I&#8217;m willing to put up a forum or a blog of some kind, but I don&#8217;t know if anyone else is interested or if anyone else cares. Mail me at lizakollman . writer @ gmail.com (without spaces, of course) if you are interested in helping me, or at least in visiting the site if I set it up.</p>
<p>Good post though. Great tips!!!</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great advice. I&#039;ve had payment problems and once got to the point where I threatened the publisher of a small newspaper in the pocketbook, where it really hurts. After many months of the the usual runaround, unanswered e-mail and phone calls, I left a message that I would be bringing up the issue with the paper&#039;s advertisers. The check came in the mail a few days later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great advice. I&#8217;ve had payment problems and once got to the point where I threatened the publisher of a small newspaper in the pocketbook, where it really hurts. After many months of the the usual runaround, unanswered e-mail and phone calls, I left a message that I would be bringing up the issue with the paper&#8217;s advertisers. The check came in the mail a few days later.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was stiffed on a huge job last June. I was working for a regular client, and he wanted me to rewrite one of his websites, and add new content. The job paid $1,400, and it took an entire month to complete. When payday came around - he bounced. After the entire project was submitted and reviewed, he told me it was perfect and I could expect payment within two weeks. I never heard from him again. Fortunately, I was able to sell most of the content to another website. I recouped a little more than half of the original(expected) pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was stiffed on a huge job last June. I was working for a regular client, and he wanted me to rewrite one of his websites, and add new content. The job paid $1,400, and it took an entire month to complete. When payday came around &#8211; he bounced. After the entire project was submitted and reviewed, he told me it was perfect and I could expect payment within two weeks. I never heard from him again. Fortunately, I was able to sell most of the content to another website. I recouped a little more than half of the original(expected) pay.</p>
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		<title>By: allison landa</title>
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		<dc:creator>allison landa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice posting, Jeff. I especially like your point about deadlines -- you&#039;ve met your bargain, they should meet theirs.

I&#039;ve freelanced for the better part of a decade. In that time, I&#039;ve been partially stiffed once. I hope that speaks to the quality of my clients, and also to my stubbornness in getting paid fairly and on time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice posting, Jeff. I especially like your point about deadlines &#8212; you&#8217;ve met your bargain, they should meet theirs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve freelanced for the better part of a decade. In that time, I&#8217;ve been partially stiffed once. I hope that speaks to the quality of my clients, and also to my stubbornness in getting paid fairly and on time.</p>
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