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		<title>By: HART-Empire.com (HART-Empire) &#187; HART-Empire Network: Year 2 In Review (HART-EMPIRE)</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4846</link>
		<dc:creator>HART-Empire.com (HART-Empire) &#187; HART-Empire Network: Year 2 In Review (HART-EMPIRE)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the HART-Empire Network to the next level. Deborah Ng kindly placed an ad on one of her sites .. Freelance Writing Gigs &#8230; and the response was [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4525</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for posting an update!  I am anxious to see how it goes. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting an update!  I am anxious to see how it goes. <img src='http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: HART (1-800-HART)</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4510</link>
		<dc:creator>HART (1-800-HART)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 04:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Deb and everybody who has applied and/or watching this thread. I just wanted to pop by  and announce that I have &#039;closed&#039; the application process. I will be making my selections before the end of Monday 15th CST. 

@Caarol Neumann - I can now confirm that I have not received anything with your name included. If you see this and wish to resend, I will consider your application in the lot. 

Any new applications will be kept on file for Round 2 (or probably Round 6 or 7 because there were a lot of great applications received and enough to cover a bunch more rounds! // Take care. \\ HART (1-800-HART)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Deb and everybody who has applied and/or watching this thread. I just wanted to pop by  and announce that I have &#8216;closed&#8217; the application process. I will be making my selections before the end of Monday 15th CST. </p>
<p>@Caarol Neumann &#8211; I can now confirm that I have not received anything with your name included. If you see this and wish to resend, I will consider your application in the lot. </p>
<p>Any new applications will be kept on file for Round 2 (or probably Round 6 or 7 because there were a lot of great applications received and enough to cover a bunch more rounds! // Take care. \\ HART (1-800-HART)</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4489</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. The pay is pretty good if it&#039;s a topic you know well, it&#039;s enjoyable to write about and goes fairly quickly. 

And thanks to Hart for taking the time to personally check in here and answer questions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. The pay is pretty good if it&#8217;s a topic you know well, it&#8217;s enjoyable to write about and goes fairly quickly. </p>
<p>And thanks to Hart for taking the time to personally check in here and answer questions!</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4481</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>** sorry about the typo: topice = topic *sighs*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>** sorry about the typo: topice = topic *sighs*</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4480</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I applied for this opportunity for two reasons:

(1) the topics really interested me
(2) I&#039;m able to produce work quickly when it&#039;s a &quot;write what you know&quot; situation.  Sure, there will be times when research and sourcing is needed, but that&#039;s not a huge burden.

Given that, I think the payment is good.  In cases such as these, it&#039;s important for me to think of the hourly wage - rather than the per piece amount.  Does that make sense?  For example, I just completed 10 articles (600 words each) for $50 . . . it took two hours and the editor was extremely impressed with the quality of writing.  I knew the topice very well, so it was quick writing.  So, that translated into a good deal.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applied for this opportunity for two reasons:</p>
<p>(1) the topics really interested me<br />
(2) I&#8217;m able to produce work quickly when it&#8217;s a &#8220;write what you know&#8221; situation.  Sure, there will be times when research and sourcing is needed, but that&#8217;s not a huge burden.</p>
<p>Given that, I think the payment is good.  In cases such as these, it&#8217;s important for me to think of the hourly wage &#8211; rather than the per piece amount.  Does that make sense?  For example, I just completed 10 articles (600 words each) for $50 . . . it took two hours and the editor was extremely impressed with the quality of writing.  I knew the topice very well, so it was quick writing.  So, that translated into a good deal.  <img src='http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: HART (1-800-HART)</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4479</link>
		<dc:creator>HART (1-800-HART)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Caarol - my email doesn&#039;t work?
hart (at) HART-Empire-Network  (dot) com

I hope I&#039;m not too obvious to say outloud that the (at) and (dot) was used to avoid spammers and it is 
hart@HART-Empire-NetworkDELETEME.com 
(just remove the DELETEME)

You can also use my contact form:
http://hart-empire-network.com/contact</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Caarol &#8211; my email doesn&#8217;t work?<br />
hart (at) HART-Empire-Network  (dot) com</p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;m not too obvious to say outloud that the (at) and (dot) was used to avoid spammers and it is<br />
<a href="mailto:hart@HART-Empire-NetworkDELETEME.com">hart@HART-Empire-NetworkDELETEME.com</a><br />
(just remove the DELETEME)</p>
<p>You can also use my contact form:<br />
<a href="http://hart-empire-network.com/contact" rel="nofollow">http://hart-empire-network.com/contact</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4478</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add that I also applied for this blogging job.  I enjoy the two blogs I have and it would be nice to have one that actually pays something. :) It would be like fun with a bonus!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add that I also applied for this blogging job.  I enjoy the two blogs I have and it would be nice to have one that actually pays something. <img src='http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  It would be like fun with a bonus!</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4477</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mariella&gt;&gt; It is a sickness, isn&#039;t it?  My husband told me yesterday &quot;Do NOT apply for any other jobs!&quot;  But I love what I do and keep thinking maybe I&#039;ll come across an opportunity that will pay great and make all my hard work a little more substantial financially.

So, I keep applying and working all the time.  If I spent less time looking for new opportunities I&#039;d probably get more work done in less time! lol  I never miss a deadline though, so it&#039;s all good. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mariella&gt;&gt; It is a sickness, isn&#8217;t it?  My husband told me yesterday &#8220;Do NOT apply for any other jobs!&#8221;  But I love what I do and keep thinking maybe I&#8217;ll come across an opportunity that will pay great and make all my hard work a little more substantial financially.</p>
<p>So, I keep applying and working all the time.  If I spent less time looking for new opportunities I&#8217;d probably get more work done in less time! lol  I never miss a deadline though, so it&#8217;s all good. <img src='http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mariella</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4476</link>
		<dc:creator>Mariella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil&gt;&gt;

I also think the same. And you saying that makes me feel vindicated -- sometimes I have to wonder what&#039;s wrong with me and why it is I can&#039;t seem to be content with what I currently have. At least now I know I&#039;m not acting strangely. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>I also think the same. And you saying that makes me feel vindicated &#8212; sometimes I have to wonder what&#8217;s wrong with me and why it is I can&#8217;t seem to be content with what I currently have. At least now I know I&#8217;m not acting strangely. <img src='http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Caarol Neumann</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4475</link>
		<dc:creator>Caarol Neumann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am trying to apply for the blogger poition but I cant get the email addy to
work.  Any other ways to contact you?
Carol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am trying to apply for the blogger poition but I cant get the email addy to<br />
work.  Any other ways to contact you?<br />
Carol</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4474</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mariella,

Keep looking and applying. You never know when a current client will fall through. And you may find better clients to replace ones you have now.

Some clients I had when I started out were great, but I couldn&#039;t afford to work for them now, they wouldn&#039;t even come close to covering higher overhead, not to mention a better lifestyle I can afford now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mariella,</p>
<p>Keep looking and applying. You never know when a current client will fall through. And you may find better clients to replace ones you have now.</p>
<p>Some clients I had when I started out were great, but I couldn&#8217;t afford to work for them now, they wouldn&#8217;t even come close to covering higher overhead, not to mention a better lifestyle I can afford now.</p>
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		<title>By: Mariella</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4473</link>
		<dc:creator>Mariella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also actually wanted to apply for the health topic~ But one 400-word a day is too heavy a workload for me right now :( I&#039;m just beat~ I can&#039;t stop myself from looking through job listings despite my current heavy workload! It&#039;s like I&#039;m addicted....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also actually wanted to apply for the health topic~ But one 400-word a day is too heavy a workload for me right now <img src='http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;m just beat~ I can&#8217;t stop myself from looking through job listings despite my current heavy workload! It&#8217;s like I&#8217;m addicted&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Micah</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4472</link>
		<dc:creator>Micah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just applied for two topics that I know well.  I just about jumped out of my seat when I saw them!  Thank you for posting this Deb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just applied for two topics that I know well.  I just about jumped out of my seat when I saw them!  Thank you for posting this Deb.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Ulibarri</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4464</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Ulibarri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hart -
I think Kim believes that is really low.  It is lower than some like you stated, but it is also higher than others. 

For a seasoned writer it may not be great money, but for someone that knows the topic well then it would be decent money. 

You stated in the ad a very large list of topics available - with only 2 to be hired right now - there may be topics that someone knows so well that it may only take them a few minutes a day to write up. In that situation the pay is quite nice. 

The pay is also fine for those starting out or wanting to get into blogging for a network. With a growing network, this may be a perfect opportunity for some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hart -<br />
I think Kim believes that is really low.  It is lower than some like you stated, but it is also higher than others. </p>
<p>For a seasoned writer it may not be great money, but for someone that knows the topic well then it would be decent money. </p>
<p>You stated in the ad a very large list of topics available &#8211; with only 2 to be hired right now &#8211; there may be topics that someone knows so well that it may only take them a few minutes a day to write up. In that situation the pay is quite nice. </p>
<p>The pay is also fine for those starting out or wanting to get into blogging for a network. With a growing network, this may be a perfect opportunity for some.</p>
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		<title>By: HART (1-800-HART)</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4463</link>
		<dc:creator>HART (1-800-HART)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>startubg? I meant starting :) I&#039;m on my laptop today. sorry for typos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>startubg? I meant starting <img src='http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;m on my laptop today. sorry for typos.</p>
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		<title>By: HART (1-800-HART)</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4462</link>
		<dc:creator>HART (1-800-HART)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim.. is that good? or really bad? In my mind, the minimum startubg point was based on $100 for the daily weekday posts and $25 extra for the 2 semi-monthly posts. I normally look for 500+ words per article, but reduced it to 400+ words to be less of a burden (in my own mind). I know it could be more, and I&#039;ve seen less. I am trying to be fair but I am on a budget. I am optimistic for the longer term opportunity for both the blogger and my network, but I understand your doubts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim.. is that good? or really bad? In my mind, the minimum startubg point was based on $100 for the daily weekday posts and $25 extra for the 2 semi-monthly posts. I normally look for 500+ words per article, but reduced it to 400+ words to be less of a burden (in my own mind). I know it could be more, and I&#8217;ve seen less. I am trying to be fair but I am on a budget. I am optimistic for the longer term opportunity for both the blogger and my network, but I understand your doubts.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4461</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So basically they&#039;re paying $6.25 for each almost full page article.  

Just sayin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically they&#8217;re paying $6.25 for each almost full page article.  </p>
<p>Just sayin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: HART (1-800-HART)</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4460</link>
		<dc:creator>HART (1-800-HART)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>~waves to everybody // *YES* I really do exist! 

Kori is correct. The positions are basically revenue sharing starting the 4th month but guaranteed the minimum - blogger which ever is higher. The traffic bonus that I am offering is a simple calculation the accountant in me has come up with, based on the public sitemeter stats, and I was intending on including this from day one.

As of this moment, the response has been great! Keep &#039;em coming in! But hurry as I will probably be making my selections before the weekend is out. If there are any more questions, feel free to ask them here - I am now subscribed to these comments, and my answer may here may help clear up Q&#039;s for other people too.

Thanks for posting this for me Deb :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>~waves to everybody // *YES* I really do exist! </p>
<p>Kori is correct. The positions are basically revenue sharing starting the 4th month but guaranteed the minimum &#8211; blogger which ever is higher. The traffic bonus that I am offering is a simple calculation the accountant in me has come up with, based on the public sitemeter stats, and I was intending on including this from day one.</p>
<p>As of this moment, the response has been great! Keep &#8216;em coming in! But hurry as I will probably be making my selections before the weekend is out. If there are any more questions, feel free to ask them here &#8211; I am now subscribed to these comments, and my answer may here may help clear up Q&#8217;s for other people too.</p>
<p>Thanks for posting this for me Deb <img src='http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kori Ellis</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4455</link>
		<dc:creator>Kori Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for clarity, the revenue sharing (60/40) is not in addition to the $125 per month. But there are traffic bonuses it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for clarity, the revenue sharing (60/40) is not in addition to the $125 per month. But there are traffic bonuses it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Derby</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2007/10/bloggers-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-4454</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Derby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Deb,

I just wanted to make sure it was definitely legit before passing along the link to a friend.  She is a former nurse who is now a SAHM, and she does some blogging, so I thought this might be a good fit for her. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Deb,</p>
<p>I just wanted to make sure it was definitely legit before passing along the link to a friend.  She is a former nurse who is now a SAHM, and she does some blogging, so I thought this might be a good fit for her. <img src='http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Amy,

This is someone I know. If you (or anyone else) have any concerns, do post them here and I&#039;ll have him come address them.

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Amy,</p>
<p>This is someone I know. If you (or anyone else) have any concerns, do post them here and I&#8217;ll have him come address them.</p>
<p>D</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Derby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Derby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deb,

I am curious -- is this someone you know personally or someone who sent you a blind ad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deb,</p>
<p>I am curious &#8212; is this someone you know personally or someone who sent you a blind ad?</p>
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