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		<title>By: Rod Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My name is Rod and I am from Rentacoder.com. I happened to come across your posting and wanted to provide some insight. 

Regarding overseas vs. U.S. seller...there are sellers on the site from the U.S. who are competitive.  As a matter of fact, the U.S. is always in the top 3 countries for sellers on the site...month after month (See http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/misc/About/default.asp#LatestStatsOnRAC for current stats).  

The top writer on the site is the #2 seller on RAC. The seller has completed over 1200 with prices varying and she is in the US.

http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/SoftwareCoders/showBioInfo.asp?lngAuthorId=1151754 

Yes some buyers have unrealistic expectations of huge software/writing  projects for almost nothing.  However these expectations are quickly brought down to earth by the system.  If a buyer is asking for too low a price, they receive no bidders and must raise their price on a re-bid.  If they ask for too much, they get flooded and realize they can lower it.  It is self-adjusting marketplace, resulting in a fair price on each transaction.  

To get a job the most important thing to do is to demonstrate that you have the ability to do the job and you know what you are talking about. Buyers want to see that the seller took time to read the requirements as well.  
So after reading the bid request, present your credentials, but also ask intelligent questions of the buyer pertaining to their project.

Nothing turns off a buyer more than a &quot;canned&quot; reply that looks like it was posted on 100 other projects...they want to know that you are interested and excited to work on their project.

Finally, many buyers are interested in quality and the assurance that the coder can get it done. So if you can convey that to a buyer then you have a better chance of getting a job.

If you have any questions please feel free to contact one of our facilitators.

Rod Smith
Rentacoder.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My name is Rod and I am from Rentacoder.com. I happened to come across your posting and wanted to provide some insight. </p>
<p>Regarding overseas vs. U.S. seller&#8230;there are sellers on the site from the U.S. who are competitive.  As a matter of fact, the U.S. is always in the top 3 countries for sellers on the site&#8230;month after month (See <a href="http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/misc/About/default.asp#LatestStatsOnRAC" rel="nofollow">http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/misc/About/default.asp#LatestStatsOnRAC</a> for current stats).  </p>
<p>The top writer on the site is the #2 seller on RAC. The seller has completed over 1200 with prices varying and she is in the US.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/SoftwareCoders/showBioInfo.asp?lngAuthorId=1151754" rel="nofollow">http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/SoftwareCoders/showBioInfo.asp?lngAuthorId=1151754</a> </p>
<p>Yes some buyers have unrealistic expectations of huge software/writing  projects for almost nothing.  However these expectations are quickly brought down to earth by the system.  If a buyer is asking for too low a price, they receive no bidders and must raise their price on a re-bid.  If they ask for too much, they get flooded and realize they can lower it.  It is self-adjusting marketplace, resulting in a fair price on each transaction.  </p>
<p>To get a job the most important thing to do is to demonstrate that you have the ability to do the job and you know what you are talking about. Buyers want to see that the seller took time to read the requirements as well.<br />
So after reading the bid request, present your credentials, but also ask intelligent questions of the buyer pertaining to their project.</p>
<p>Nothing turns off a buyer more than a &#8220;canned&#8221; reply that looks like it was posted on 100 other projects&#8230;they want to know that you are interested and excited to work on their project.</p>
<p>Finally, many buyers are interested in quality and the assurance that the coder can get it done. So if you can convey that to a buyer then you have a better chance of getting a job.</p>
<p>If you have any questions please feel free to contact one of our facilitators.</p>
<p>Rod Smith<br />
Rentacoder.com</p>
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		<title>By: James Chartrand - JCM Enterprises</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Chartrand - JCM Enterprises</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 01:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Lots of comments here and lots of feelings.  

My experience with both RAC and Elance has been favorable. $1 an article is a thing of the very distant pass, and I&#039;ve substantially increased my rates to earn a decent living. I&#039;ve also earned repeat customers by proving quality work always pays off for the buyer.

One note: If you want to continue to support low freelance writing rates, by all means, continue to work at less than $15 an article (which still isn&#039;t even in the recommended writer pay scale of either Canada or the U.S. By continuing to accept these rates, buyers know they can get writers to work at low cost.

If you&#039;re going to write for a living, walk the walk and talk the talk. Be a professional with rates that are equal to that position. By putting your foot down and refusing low paying work, you actually help maintain higher rates for writers.

For more info, feel free to visit our &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jcme.ca/jcmefreelancewriting/category/writing-rates&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;writers rates&lt;/a&gt; category on our blog. There is plenty of advice to help with the situation for those struggling for better pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Lots of comments here and lots of feelings.  </p>
<p>My experience with both RAC and Elance has been favorable. $1 an article is a thing of the very distant pass, and I&#8217;ve substantially increased my rates to earn a decent living. I&#8217;ve also earned repeat customers by proving quality work always pays off for the buyer.</p>
<p>One note: If you want to continue to support low freelance writing rates, by all means, continue to work at less than $15 an article (which still isn&#8217;t even in the recommended writer pay scale of either Canada or the U.S. By continuing to accept these rates, buyers know they can get writers to work at low cost.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to write for a living, walk the walk and talk the talk. Be a professional with rates that are equal to that position. By putting your foot down and refusing low paying work, you actually help maintain higher rates for writers.</p>
<p>For more info, feel free to visit our <a href="http://www.jcme.ca/jcmefreelancewriting/category/writing-rates" rel="nofollow">writers rates</a> category on our blog. There is plenty of advice to help with the situation for those struggling for better pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not being racist or anything but you tend to find the individuals that are willing to work for 2 cents per article are Indians.

And it really gets my goat.

There are some of us whose work is very good and we are trying to make a living out of it. Those people make it harder for us and basically degrade our work and the whole theory and reputation behind freelancing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not being racist or anything but you tend to find the individuals that are willing to work for 2 cents per article are Indians.</p>
<p>And it really gets my goat.</p>
<p>There are some of us whose work is very good and we are trying to make a living out of it. Those people make it harder for us and basically degrade our work and the whole theory and reputation behind freelancing.</p>
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		<title>By: Courtney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Courtney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I agree with all of those who are anti-bidding sites. I have to admit that early on I signed up for a few, and I intended to bid on such sites when I finally got rolling with the freelance thing, but they never seemed very beginner-friendly. I know it&#039;s hard to break into freelance and everyone does it their own way, but I&#039;ve found so many people advising you don&#039;t sell yourself short early on.

I think those bidding sites are designed to gip the writer, and I&#039;ll stick with alternative methods. Besides, it&#039;s like you said: there&#039;s soo many people competing on those bidding sites, that it&#039;s almost like they are an easy out. I think you&#039;re better off kicking butt searching for actual jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I agree with all of those who are anti-bidding sites. I have to admit that early on I signed up for a few, and I intended to bid on such sites when I finally got rolling with the freelance thing, but they never seemed very beginner-friendly. I know it&#8217;s hard to break into freelance and everyone does it their own way, but I&#8217;ve found so many people advising you don&#8217;t sell yourself short early on.</p>
<p>I think those bidding sites are designed to gip the writer, and I&#8217;ll stick with alternative methods. Besides, it&#8217;s like you said: there&#8217;s soo many people competing on those bidding sites, that it&#8217;s almost like they are an easy out. I think you&#8217;re better off kicking butt searching for actual jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 01:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you prefer the idea of getting paid by the hour rather than getting paid by the article (which it seems like some in this discussion aren&#039;t a huge fan of), you should check out oDesk (http://www.odesk.com), an online marketplace which guarantees payment for hourly work. Unlike other marketplace sites, there is no fee to join and you&#039;ll never pay a fee to bid. It&#039;s a particularly great option for technical writers, but other writing jobs have been popping up, too.
- Michelle, oDesk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you prefer the idea of getting paid by the hour rather than getting paid by the article (which it seems like some in this discussion aren&#8217;t a huge fan of), you should check out oDesk (<a href="http://www.odesk.com)" rel="nofollow">http://www.odesk.com)</a>, an online marketplace which guarantees payment for hourly work. Unlike other marketplace sites, there is no fee to join and you&#8217;ll never pay a fee to bid. It&#8217;s a particularly great option for technical writers, but other writing jobs have been popping up, too.<br />
- Michelle, oDesk</p>
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		<title>By: Allena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am astounded, Deb, that you&#039;ve written a post that is one sided. Granted I guess it is your experience, so....I guess theres not many sides to it!

So here&#039;s my experience: my main client that I got from elance pays me about 60 an hour! It&#039;s daydream education charts and I basically edit curriculum materials so that they can intro them to an audience in the US (they are UK based). From them, since I got the job, I&#039;ve made over 2 thousand. I can&#039;t remember WHEN I got it, but it must have been after I got back from Mexico- so since August to now- a couple of months 2 thousand. 

Today I proofread a business proposal in under 5 hours for 300 bucks. 

Last week I proofread this mortgage brokers ebook - 10 pages for 200 bucks. 

So, what&#039;s the deal? Why so different. First of all, I spend less than a minute figuring out if this is one of &quot;those&quot; crappy $2 an hour jobs. 

Seocnd, I target only very specific jobs in very specific niches (marketing and education). I get 90% of jobs I bid for on elance. But I don&#039;t bid for a whole lot. I never bid on anything that bores me and I never deal with any project that&#039;s under 200 bucks. 

Another niche I mainly deal with editing and proofreading jobs on elance. 

So maybe you have to stay in your niche (education, marketing). Also bypass the content crap. Also give it more than a week! I can go two weeks or sometimes more without seeing jobs I want. 
   
Now, I&#039;ve also got decent jobs and ongoing clients from Debs board. Also fron Sunoasis, Gawker, Journalism jobs, etc. 

Today I was 500 dollars short of my monthly goal. That&#039;s it. That&#039;s because I don&#039;t discount anything and spend about 2 hours a week trolling ALL the job sites, including elance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am astounded, Deb, that you&#8217;ve written a post that is one sided. Granted I guess it is your experience, so&#8230;.I guess theres not many sides to it!</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s my experience: my main client that I got from elance pays me about 60 an hour! It&#8217;s daydream education charts and I basically edit curriculum materials so that they can intro them to an audience in the US (they are UK based). From them, since I got the job, I&#8217;ve made over 2 thousand. I can&#8217;t remember WHEN I got it, but it must have been after I got back from Mexico- so since August to now- a couple of months 2 thousand. </p>
<p>Today I proofread a business proposal in under 5 hours for 300 bucks. </p>
<p>Last week I proofread this mortgage brokers ebook &#8211; 10 pages for 200 bucks. </p>
<p>So, what&#8217;s the deal? Why so different. First of all, I spend less than a minute figuring out if this is one of &#8220;those&#8221; crappy $2 an hour jobs. </p>
<p>Seocnd, I target only very specific jobs in very specific niches (marketing and education). I get 90% of jobs I bid for on elance. But I don&#8217;t bid for a whole lot. I never bid on anything that bores me and I never deal with any project that&#8217;s under 200 bucks. </p>
<p>Another niche I mainly deal with editing and proofreading jobs on elance. </p>
<p>So maybe you have to stay in your niche (education, marketing). Also bypass the content crap. Also give it more than a week! I can go two weeks or sometimes more without seeing jobs I want. </p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;ve also got decent jobs and ongoing clients from Debs board. Also fron Sunoasis, Gawker, Journalism jobs, etc. </p>
<p>Today I was 500 dollars short of my monthly goal. That&#8217;s it. That&#8217;s because I don&#8217;t discount anything and spend about 2 hours a week trolling ALL the job sites, including elance.</p>
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		<title>By: FreddieJaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>FreddieJaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never used a bidding site, and never will. The workloads are ridiculously high, and the payback ridiculously low. I saw one listing for a total of 50,000 words -- you&#039;d get $300. Another wants its bidders to crank out 15,000 words for $90.

Hell, I have a local outlet that pays me $300 for 600 words!

These sites don&#039;t want quality, they want quantity. And they want it as cheap as possible.

Stick with Deb&#039;s site. It&#039;s already helped me land a gig with a national trade publication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never used a bidding site, and never will. The workloads are ridiculously high, and the payback ridiculously low. I saw one listing for a total of 50,000 words &#8212; you&#8217;d get $300. Another wants its bidders to crank out 15,000 words for $90.</p>
<p>Hell, I have a local outlet that pays me $300 for 600 words!</p>
<p>These sites don&#8217;t want quality, they want quantity. And they want it as cheap as possible.</p>
<p>Stick with Deb&#8217;s site. It&#8217;s already helped me land a gig with a national trade publication.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had a rough go with both Elance and Guru, and I&#039;m glad to read I&#039;m not the only one. I&#039;m an editor, and I have a ton of experience. Some of the feedback from employers on the sites has been weird, and I don&#039;t do the lowball bidding, either. I dig this site, though, and when I need work I do what&#039;s been successful in the past: call people and send emails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had a rough go with both Elance and Guru, and I&#8217;m glad to read I&#8217;m not the only one. I&#8217;m an editor, and I have a ton of experience. Some of the feedback from employers on the sites has been weird, and I don&#8217;t do the lowball bidding, either. I dig this site, though, and when I need work I do what&#8217;s been successful in the past: call people and send emails.</p>
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		<title>By: Holli Jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holli Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very great discussion and I&#039;m glad Deb brought it up. 

It is obvious that many things about bidding sites are bad - people looking to pay $1 per article, etc. But I don&#039;t think we should write them off completely. 

Like some people have said, they searched through the sludge and found some gems. If you&#039;re just starting out as a freelance writer (which I am), these sites can be useful.

I just started using getafreelancer. I found someone willing to pay me $10 per blog post. (It&#039;s not $800 per month, but it&#039;s not bad, either.) Because of this good experience, I&#039;m willing to try it out again.

I don&#039;t plan to use bidding sites forever, but as a way to get started and get a few repeat clients, I think they can be a helpful tool for writers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very great discussion and I&#8217;m glad Deb brought it up. </p>
<p>It is obvious that many things about bidding sites are bad &#8211; people looking to pay $1 per article, etc. But I don&#8217;t think we should write them off completely. </p>
<p>Like some people have said, they searched through the sludge and found some gems. If you&#8217;re just starting out as a freelance writer (which I am), these sites can be useful.</p>
<p>I just started using getafreelancer. I found someone willing to pay me $10 per blog post. (It&#8217;s not $800 per month, but it&#8217;s not bad, either.) Because of this good experience, I&#8217;m willing to try it out again.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t plan to use bidding sites forever, but as a way to get started and get a few repeat clients, I think they can be a helpful tool for writers.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked at some of the bidding sites when I was first getting started (I don&#039;t remember which ones) and felt I could sell those same articles on AC and make more.  I don&#039;t recall seeing any good paying ones.

I must admit though, I would be thrilled to find a couple of blogging jobs that pay $2000 a month.  Maybe I should go take a look again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked at some of the bidding sites when I was first getting started (I don&#8217;t remember which ones) and felt I could sell those same articles on AC and make more.  I don&#8217;t recall seeing any good paying ones.</p>
<p>I must admit though, I would be thrilled to find a couple of blogging jobs that pay $2000 a month.  Maybe I should go take a look again.</p>
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