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		<title>By: How to Make the Editor Your Friend (III): Be Willing to Revise &#171; Write Livelihood</title>
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		<dc:creator>How to Make the Editor Your Friend (III): Be Willing to Revise &#171; Write Livelihood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rebecca Laffar-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca Laffar-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 06:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been lucky enough so far to come across clients and editors who either love it as is, make changes I can relate to and completely understand (and would have made myself if asked), or offered valuable suggestions that have helped me grow as a writer.

I truly adore one of my poetry editors because he is invested in me as a poet. He is young but has experience that puts him into the professional realm. He shows considerable respect because he recognizes my own skill and experience. Working with him to sharpen a poem is wonderful and his comments are always insightful and right.

Of course, there are clients out there that will never be pleased. In the end you will have to turn some jobs down. You can&#039;t spend forever trying to tweak an article for the single rate offered originally.

I&#039;ve taken to charging additional fees for extensive revision. I value my expertise in this area and if my clients are hiring me then they trust my judgment and have a fair idea of how I work. The fact is, if you don&#039;t love it I&#039;ll make small changes but if you&#039;re asking for a dramatic change it&#039;s going to cost you for a rewrite. I value my time and my ability and assume whoever hires me has done their own research into my skills as a writer.

The same rule applies when I edit. If I need to make drastic suggestions or changes to the original and you come back for a second edit after making changes it&#039;s going to cost for an additional edit.

I think this is where charging for time is a safer financial option than charging for word count. The time it takes to put together (write or edit) a certain number of words can vary depending on the demands of the client/editor, the research required, etc. $50 for an article I&#039;ve had to rewrite a dozen times just isn&#039;t acceptable.

Perhaps it all comes down to respecting ourselves as professionals. Yes, you need to bend with the editor, learn from what they tell you, but ultimately, if they aren&#039;t satisfied then stop wasting both of your time. They need a different writer and you&#039;d do better to find a different client/editor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been lucky enough so far to come across clients and editors who either love it as is, make changes I can relate to and completely understand (and would have made myself if asked), or offered valuable suggestions that have helped me grow as a writer.</p>
<p>I truly adore one of my poetry editors because he is invested in me as a poet. He is young but has experience that puts him into the professional realm. He shows considerable respect because he recognizes my own skill and experience. Working with him to sharpen a poem is wonderful and his comments are always insightful and right.</p>
<p>Of course, there are clients out there that will never be pleased. In the end you will have to turn some jobs down. You can&#8217;t spend forever trying to tweak an article for the single rate offered originally.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve taken to charging additional fees for extensive revision. I value my expertise in this area and if my clients are hiring me then they trust my judgment and have a fair idea of how I work. The fact is, if you don&#8217;t love it I&#8217;ll make small changes but if you&#8217;re asking for a dramatic change it&#8217;s going to cost you for a rewrite. I value my time and my ability and assume whoever hires me has done their own research into my skills as a writer.</p>
<p>The same rule applies when I edit. If I need to make drastic suggestions or changes to the original and you come back for a second edit after making changes it&#8217;s going to cost for an additional edit.</p>
<p>I think this is where charging for time is a safer financial option than charging for word count. The time it takes to put together (write or edit) a certain number of words can vary depending on the demands of the client/editor, the research required, etc. $50 for an article I&#8217;ve had to rewrite a dozen times just isn&#8217;t acceptable.</p>
<p>Perhaps it all comes down to respecting ourselves as professionals. Yes, you need to bend with the editor, learn from what they tell you, but ultimately, if they aren&#8217;t satisfied then stop wasting both of your time. They need a different writer and you&#8217;d do better to find a different client/editor.</p>
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		<title>By: Jodee</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2008/01/rewrites-and-revisions-theyre-nothing-personal/comment-page-1/#comment-14878</link>
		<dc:creator>Jodee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ann G: Could you let me know what happens? If you don&#039;t want to put it on the board, feel free to e-mail me at jodeecredmond@gmail.com

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ann G: Could you let me know what happens? If you don&#8217;t want to put it on the board, feel free to e-mail me at <a href="mailto:jodeecredmond@gmail.com">jodeecredmond@gmail.com</a></p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jodee- I just turned mine in.  I agree with you - the pay now makes me question it.  I suppose once the format is second hand, that won&#039;t be a question though.  In the meantime, my slate is cleaned of that and I&#039;ll see what happens.  Meanwhile, I just had another offer, so I&#039;ll focus on something a little easier for now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jodee- I just turned mine in.  I agree with you &#8211; the pay now makes me question it.  I suppose once the format is second hand, that won&#8217;t be a question though.  In the meantime, my slate is cleaned of that and I&#8217;ll see what happens.  Meanwhile, I just had another offer, so I&#8217;ll focus on something a little easier for now!</p>
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		<title>By: Jodee</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2008/01/rewrites-and-revisions-theyre-nothing-personal/comment-page-1/#comment-14870</link>
		<dc:creator>Jodee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ann G: They can&#039;t fire eveyone; they need the work done! I got that report done so now I can take another look at their requirements. Now I am starting to wonder if the pay is worth it if you have to jump through that may hoops to give them what they want. Hmmm....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ann G: They can&#8217;t fire eveyone; they need the work done! I got that report done so now I can take another look at their requirements. Now I am starting to wonder if the pay is worth it if you have to jump through that may hoops to give them what they want. Hmmm&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jodee- that&#039;s the approach I&#039;ve taken.  I emailed questions to the editor because in my sheet the keywords in one area are different to the other, but then wrote the article up my way and am now going to go back through and adapt it to their format and change keywords that might need changing.

I hear you on the computer issues.  My desktop crashed a few weeks ago.  I&#039;ve made a habit though of continually emailing files and emails to a Gmail account where I keep them permanently just in case something goes wrong.  Before shutting down, I go in and make sure the file actually arrived.  I can then go to my parent&#039;s house or brother&#039;s house and work from their computers and have ready access to the work I was doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jodee- that&#8217;s the approach I&#8217;ve taken.  I emailed questions to the editor because in my sheet the keywords in one area are different to the other, but then wrote the article up my way and am now going to go back through and adapt it to their format and change keywords that might need changing.</p>
<p>I hear you on the computer issues.  My desktop crashed a few weeks ago.  I&#8217;ve made a habit though of continually emailing files and emails to a Gmail account where I keep them permanently just in case something goes wrong.  Before shutting down, I go in and make sure the file actually arrived.  I can then go to my parent&#8217;s house or brother&#8217;s house and work from their computers and have ready access to the work I was doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jodee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ann G: I&#039;ve looked over everything a couple of times now but I haven&#039;t written anything yet. (I was working on a 5,000 word report for another client and I had it almost done but I had some problems with my computer and I lost the document. I wasn&#039;t able to retrieve it through my backup software, so I&#039;ve been redoing the work. I had some notes but I like to compose at the keyboard so I had to start again from square one. Not how I would ideally want to spend my time, but...stuff happens.)

I&#039;m sure that company wouldn&#039;t have wanted to pursue you if they didn&#039;t think you could do the job. Why don&#039;t you try putting the perfection thing right out of your mind and just do the assignment as best you can? (And practice a bit of CYA (cover your a$$) by continuing to apply for other gigs...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ann G: I&#8217;ve looked over everything a couple of times now but I haven&#8217;t written anything yet. (I was working on a 5,000 word report for another client and I had it almost done but I had some problems with my computer and I lost the document. I wasn&#8217;t able to retrieve it through my backup software, so I&#8217;ve been redoing the work. I had some notes but I like to compose at the keyboard so I had to start again from square one. Not how I would ideally want to spend my time, but&#8230;stuff happens.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that company wouldn&#8217;t have wanted to pursue you if they didn&#8217;t think you could do the job. Why don&#8217;t you try putting the perfection thing right out of your mind and just do the assignment as best you can? (And practice a bit of CYA (cover your a$$) by continuing to apply for other gigs&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Ann G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jodee-I&#039;ve spent the weekend reading everything over.  There is the part of me that is a little overwhelmed.  I know I can do it, but the format throws me off and the perfection rule makes me nervous.  I&#039;m certain that once I have the format down, it wouldn&#039;t be an issue, but getting the format down is frustrating and the pressure to get things right the first time round makes it stressful.  My propane&#039;s up to $4.50 a gallon - $340 a month now for the monthly payment) - my husband&#039;s company just moved half the business to El Paso and overtime has been eliminated in the process.  That makes us desperate for the money, but the stress is eating at me too and there has to be a balance.   Weekends are supposed to be family time for me, but this weekends been a mix of reading, re-reading, and then trying to come up with perfection.

@Mary - I have no problem with the editing, it&#039;s the line that if it isn&#039;t perfect after the first edit that your job is over - not just for that one article, but with the company period.  The push for perfection first time around (I&#039;m a wicked perfectionist to start with - obsessive compulsive to be exact) is what I struggle with this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jodee-I&#8217;ve spent the weekend reading everything over.  There is the part of me that is a little overwhelmed.  I know I can do it, but the format throws me off and the perfection rule makes me nervous.  I&#8217;m certain that once I have the format down, it wouldn&#8217;t be an issue, but getting the format down is frustrating and the pressure to get things right the first time round makes it stressful.  My propane&#8217;s up to $4.50 a gallon &#8211; $340 a month now for the monthly payment) &#8211; my husband&#8217;s company just moved half the business to El Paso and overtime has been eliminated in the process.  That makes us desperate for the money, but the stress is eating at me too and there has to be a balance.   Weekends are supposed to be family time for me, but this weekends been a mix of reading, re-reading, and then trying to come up with perfection.</p>
<p>@Mary &#8211; I have no problem with the editing, it&#8217;s the line that if it isn&#8217;t perfect after the first edit that your job is over &#8211; not just for that one article, but with the company period.  The push for perfection first time around (I&#8217;m a wicked perfectionist to start with &#8211; obsessive compulsive to be exact) is what I struggle with this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting asked to do revisions is never fun, but I&#039;ve learned to just accept it. Usually, the stuff that gets requests for revision doesn&#039;t have my name on it (lately, I&#039;ve been sprucing up Web copy), which means it&#039;s got the client&#039;s name on it, which means it has to fit their standards. They hire me to do the job, I do it. 

Speaking as an editor, I&#039;ve never seen a piece that didn&#039;t need any revisions at all, except the pieces we didn&#039;t use. Even if it&#039;s minor, nitpicky stuff, everything that&#039;s ever crossed my desk, from slush pile work to copy editing, has always needed at least a little revising. Way of the world, and when I&#039;m writing something that goes out with my name on it, you bet I want someone there looking my stuff over and making sure it&#039;s right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting asked to do revisions is never fun, but I&#8217;ve learned to just accept it. Usually, the stuff that gets requests for revision doesn&#8217;t have my name on it (lately, I&#8217;ve been sprucing up Web copy), which means it&#8217;s got the client&#8217;s name on it, which means it has to fit their standards. They hire me to do the job, I do it. </p>
<p>Speaking as an editor, I&#8217;ve never seen a piece that didn&#8217;t need any revisions at all, except the pieces we didn&#8217;t use. Even if it&#8217;s minor, nitpicky stuff, everything that&#8217;s ever crossed my desk, from slush pile work to copy editing, has always needed at least a little revising. Way of the world, and when I&#8217;m writing something that goes out with my name on it, you bet I want someone there looking my stuff over and making sure it&#8217;s right.</p>
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		<title>By: Mariella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mariella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 04:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never really had a problem with revisions. I&#039;ve learned to accept there&#039;s no such thing as perfection back in high school, when I was still writing for our school paper. Strangely, I understand the sentiments of Mark L.&#039;s erstwhile editor. Call me crazy but I do. 

@Rachel&gt;&gt; I haven&#039;t heard anyone offering kill fees for blogs yet, but then again, I&#039;ve only been problogging since late last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never really had a problem with revisions. I&#8217;ve learned to accept there&#8217;s no such thing as perfection back in high school, when I was still writing for our school paper. Strangely, I understand the sentiments of Mark L.&#8217;s erstwhile editor. Call me crazy but I do. </p>
<p>@Rachel&gt;&gt; I haven&#8217;t heard anyone offering kill fees for blogs yet, but then again, I&#8217;ve only been problogging since late last year.</p>
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