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	<title>Comments on: Job Ad Feedback: Deb Takes Out an Ad</title>
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		<title>By: Jeanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh - I avoid responding to ads that do not post a rate or range, but instead want me to state my range.  Most of the time these ads fail to give me enough information to bid accurately.  What is the topic? How many words do you want? What&#039;s the turnaround time? Am I required to do any design work or submit photos with an article? How about keyword searches? My rate goes up with each item, but if employers won&#039;t even post the industry they&#039;re in on the ad - I feel I don&#039;t have enough to bid. Nor will I take the chance, since I am choosy about the industries I work for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh &#8211; I avoid responding to ads that do not post a rate or range, but instead want me to state my range.  Most of the time these ads fail to give me enough information to bid accurately.  What is the topic? How many words do you want? What&#8217;s the turnaround time? Am I required to do any design work or submit photos with an article? How about keyword searches? My rate goes up with each item, but if employers won&#8217;t even post the industry they&#8217;re in on the ad &#8211; I feel I don&#8217;t have enough to bid. Nor will I take the chance, since I am choosy about the industries I work for.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeanne</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2008/03/job-ad-feedback-deb-takes-out-an-ad/comment-page-2/#comment-117654</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few comments, Deb. I post ads on Guru and other sites looking for subcontractors on various projects (I run a small marketing agency as well as provide freelance writing services.) My experiences are similar to yours, but with a few additional points:

1) People who can&#039;t follow directions - my last advertisement asked for 3 pieces of information. Some people didn&#039;t include it.

2) Rates WAY over the range I put in the ad. My range was generous. I had some bids for triple that amount.  

3) Stalkers.  I call anyone who sends me multiple emails DEMANDING a response to their bid a stalker. You wouldn&#039;t believe the messages I got.  Some were downright hostile.  I left the bidding open for the full time and did not respond to ANYONE until the bidding was closed. Yet people posted a bid and began sending me daily emails demanding a response. Note - stalking the employer is not recommended. There&#039;s a line between assertiveness and rudeness, and many people vying for the bid crossed it.


For a simple web design project, I received 45 bids. The winning bidder submitted a warm, friendly proposal that exactly matched my criteria. Her communication skills were top notch, and her rate was exactly on my range. I hired her and have been so pleased with the results.  Yes, there were people who submitted cheaper bids; but since some didn&#039;t even follow simple directions in their response, there was no way I was going to trust them.

Good luck to all on bidding for jobs.  It&#039;s competitive, but you CAN stand out from the crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few comments, Deb. I post ads on Guru and other sites looking for subcontractors on various projects (I run a small marketing agency as well as provide freelance writing services.) My experiences are similar to yours, but with a few additional points:</p>
<p>1) People who can&#8217;t follow directions &#8211; my last advertisement asked for 3 pieces of information. Some people didn&#8217;t include it.</p>
<p>2) Rates WAY over the range I put in the ad. My range was generous. I had some bids for triple that amount.  </p>
<p>3) Stalkers.  I call anyone who sends me multiple emails DEMANDING a response to their bid a stalker. You wouldn&#8217;t believe the messages I got.  Some were downright hostile.  I left the bidding open for the full time and did not respond to ANYONE until the bidding was closed. Yet people posted a bid and began sending me daily emails demanding a response. Note &#8211; stalking the employer is not recommended. There&#8217;s a line between assertiveness and rudeness, and many people vying for the bid crossed it.</p>
<p>For a simple web design project, I received 45 bids. The winning bidder submitted a warm, friendly proposal that exactly matched my criteria. Her communication skills were top notch, and her rate was exactly on my range. I hired her and have been so pleased with the results.  Yes, there were people who submitted cheaper bids; but since some didn&#8217;t even follow simple directions in their response, there was no way I was going to trust them.</p>
<p>Good luck to all on bidding for jobs.  It&#8217;s competitive, but you CAN stand out from the crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: Back to Basics Part 3: 11 Things NOT to Do When Applying for a Freelance Writing Job&#160;&#124;&#160;Freelance Writing Jobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Back to Basics Part 3: 11 Things NOT to Do When Applying for a Freelance Writing Job&#160;&#124;&#160;Freelance Writing Jobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] directions. If the client asks you to list three references and you only list one, you didn&#8217;t follow directions. If the client asks you to provide a rate quote and you didn&#8217;t provide a quote at all, you [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] directions. If the client asks you to list three references and you only list one, you didn&#8217;t follow directions. If the client asks you to provide a rate quote and you didn&#8217;t provide a quote at all, you [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Applying for Blogging Jobs - Do You Need A Resume? : Network Blogging Tips</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2008/03/job-ad-feedback-deb-takes-out-an-ad/comment-page-2/#comment-49012</link>
		<dc:creator>Applying for Blogging Jobs - Do You Need A Resume? : Network Blogging Tips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ask for. I read the ad, follow directions, and tell them what they want to know. Plenty of people DO NOT follow basic directions when applying for writing jobs. If you do follow directions, you&#8217;re already one step ahead of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ask for. I read the ad, follow directions, and tell them what they want to know. Plenty of people DO NOT follow basic directions when applying for writing jobs. If you do follow directions, you&#8217;re already one step ahead of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: pallavi khera</title>
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		<dc:creator>pallavi khera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey deb..i am pallavi and a freelance writer..I got one job from your leads ,but that person didnt pay me and still i am working for my payments..thats ok  what i want to say isi am regular to ur site and i like your discussion topics.I wish i can get some health related leads in coming future.thanx .keep going .its great and fun to b here always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey deb..i am pallavi and a freelance writer..I got one job from your leads ,but that person didnt pay me and still i am working for my payments..thats ok  what i want to say isi am regular to ur site and i like your discussion topics.I wish i can get some health related leads in coming future.thanx .keep going .its great and fun to b here always.</p>
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		<title>By: Typos Don&#8217;t Really Matter &#124; Real Words</title>
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		<dc:creator>Typos Don&#8217;t Really Matter &#124; Real Words</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] world is that people are going to judge you based on your typos. You aren&#8217;t going to get the freelance job you want if you fail to proofread your cover letter for typos. You are probably going to lose some [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] world is that people are going to judge you based on your typos. You aren&#8217;t going to get the freelance job you want if you fail to proofread your cover letter for typos. You are probably going to lose some [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Christy</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2008/03/job-ad-feedback-deb-takes-out-an-ad/comment-page-2/#comment-19581</link>
		<dc:creator>Christy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Deb,

Amazing information! I&#039;m learning a lot. 

I wanted to ask your opinion on including writing samples that have been published through Blogburst. Although the blog posts (articles) are being published on popular online news sites, there is no compensation for it. 

I&#039;m not sure what these writing samples are actually worth. 

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Deb,</p>
<p>Amazing information! I&#8217;m learning a lot. </p>
<p>I wanted to ask your opinion on including writing samples that have been published through Blogburst. Although the blog posts (articles) are being published on popular online news sites, there is no compensation for it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what these writing samples are actually worth. </p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: What a Writer is Reading on the Web, 3/16/08 &#124; Real Words</title>
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		<dc:creator>What a Writer is Reading on the Web, 3/16/08 &#124; Real Words</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Job Ad Feeback @ Freelance Writing Jobs [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scribette</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2008/03/job-ad-feedback-deb-takes-out-an-ad/comment-page-2/#comment-19474</link>
		<dc:creator>Scribette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gibreel Google - having hired people, opening up attachments does take quite a bit of time.

It is true that magazine clips are usually PDF files though - perhaps you can both copy and paste the article - plus include an attachment with an explanation?

However, I guess I am guilty of not following instructions too - as I do not provide quotes initially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gibreel Google &#8211; having hired people, opening up attachments does take quite a bit of time.</p>
<p>It is true that magazine clips are usually PDF files though &#8211; perhaps you can both copy and paste the article &#8211; plus include an attachment with an explanation?</p>
<p>However, I guess I am guilty of not following instructions too &#8211; as I do not provide quotes initially.</p>
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		<title>By: Scribette</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2008/03/job-ad-feedback-deb-takes-out-an-ad/comment-page-2/#comment-19473</link>
		<dc:creator>Scribette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still think employers should state what their rates are - magazines do state their rates - why not employers?

No offence Deb! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still think employers should state what their rates are &#8211; magazines do state their rates &#8211; why not employers?</p>
<p>No offence Deb! <img src='http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ann G.</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2008/03/job-ad-feedback-deb-takes-out-an-ad/comment-page-2/#comment-19459</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dejah - I have too.  What bothers me the most is that the laws protect the person who steal your credit card info.  While I was told they knew the website where my information was stolen, they wouldn&#039;t tell me which site so that I could avoid it in the future.  I&#039;d only used that card in two sites - one was Ebay&#039;s pay system and the other was Half.com - so it has to have been one of the two.  They also took six months &quot;investigating&quot; the case while that money sat in limbo on my account and then wouldn&#039;t tell me a thing about who commited the crime.  I honestly think if they gave you that info and then let you file all kinds of nasty charges personally against the wrongdoer, it might help put an end to some of this theft.  All I was ever told was that the card was used at an online baby store based in London and that the person got away with $5,000 in baby gear.  Beyond that, they said the mailing address where the packages were sent was confidential and not any concern of mine.

So on this note, I came across an ad on Craigslist today that offered you a job on the spot providing you gave them your Paypal email address and other personal info before submitting anything else.  It&#039;s rare that writing jobs are posted in VT, and when they are it&#039;s always garbage of this nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dejah &#8211; I have too.  What bothers me the most is that the laws protect the person who steal your credit card info.  While I was told they knew the website where my information was stolen, they wouldn&#8217;t tell me which site so that I could avoid it in the future.  I&#8217;d only used that card in two sites &#8211; one was Ebay&#8217;s pay system and the other was Half.com &#8211; so it has to have been one of the two.  They also took six months &#8220;investigating&#8221; the case while that money sat in limbo on my account and then wouldn&#8217;t tell me a thing about who commited the crime.  I honestly think if they gave you that info and then let you file all kinds of nasty charges personally against the wrongdoer, it might help put an end to some of this theft.  All I was ever told was that the card was used at an online baby store based in London and that the person got away with $5,000 in baby gear.  Beyond that, they said the mailing address where the packages were sent was confidential and not any concern of mine.</p>
<p>So on this note, I came across an ad on Craigslist today that offered you a job on the spot providing you gave them your Paypal email address and other personal info before submitting anything else.  It&#8217;s rare that writing jobs are posted in VT, and when they are it&#8217;s always garbage of this nature.</p>
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		<title>By: dejah</title>
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		<dc:creator>dejah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really dislike sending any sort of personal information, particularly a resume which includes enough to basically impersonate me, to a blind ad. I&#039;ve had my credit card stolen before. Believe me, while it&#039;s nothing to full fledged identity theft, it&#039;s a less than delightful experience. Fobbing off people&#039;s security concerns as being unprofessional is pretty naive... not to mention unfair.

Otherwise, your experience roughly tracks with mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really dislike sending any sort of personal information, particularly a resume which includes enough to basically impersonate me, to a blind ad. I&#8217;ve had my credit card stolen before. Believe me, while it&#8217;s nothing to full fledged identity theft, it&#8217;s a less than delightful experience. Fobbing off people&#8217;s security concerns as being unprofessional is pretty naive&#8230; not to mention unfair.</p>
<p>Otherwise, your experience roughly tracks with mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gibreel Google
What&#039;s wrong with copy/paste?
I would never send an attachment unless specified.  You will go straight to spam.  Copying and pasting takes no more effort or time than attaching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gibreel Google<br />
What&#8217;s wrong with copy/paste?<br />
I would never send an attachment unless specified.  You will go straight to spam.  Copying and pasting takes no more effort or time than attaching.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Phil -- Thanks for the info, and make sure to post a link to your article when it appears.

While I know there are many dedicated federal employees, I doubt any are so altruistic as to be sending out e-mails at 2:30 in the morning!  :) 

From a writing perspective, I&#039;m concerned that scammers are using these job boards to post phony ads, with their sole intent being to harvest e-mails for their scams.  

@ Deb -- This might be a good future topic to cover -- ferreting out real opportunities from the many scams that abound, and how to protect yourself during the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Phil &#8212; Thanks for the info, and make sure to post a link to your article when it appears.</p>
<p>While I know there are many dedicated federal employees, I doubt any are so altruistic as to be sending out e-mails at 2:30 in the morning!  <img src='http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>From a writing perspective, I&#8217;m concerned that scammers are using these job boards to post phony ads, with their sole intent being to harvest e-mails for their scams.  </p>
<p>@ Deb &#8212; This might be a good future topic to cover &#8212; ferreting out real opportunities from the many scams that abound, and how to protect yourself during the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Mary and anyone else who received a refund notice purportedly from the IRS as an e-mail -- IT&#039;S A PHISHING SCAM!!!! -- I just completed a 1,000 word article on it that will appear in the April issue of Information Today.

Go to IRS Web site for more details (because article hasn&#039;t appeared yet).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Mary and anyone else who received a refund notice purportedly from the IRS as an e-mail &#8212; IT&#8217;S A PHISHING SCAM!!!! &#8212; I just completed a 1,000 word article on it that will appear in the April issue of Information Today.</p>
<p>Go to IRS Web site for more details (because article hasn&#8217;t appeared yet).</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Doug B I recently was offered something like $25 per post at a blog. That would have worked out to about $100 an hour since the topic is an easy one for me. I think they wanted 2 or 3 posts a week. 

That said, I could tell the editor was brand new to the blog world and she said she wanted the site to grow, not simply content to fill the space. So I was honest with her and said the site won&#039;t ever grow if I post only twice a week, and that if growth was the goal, the job needed to pay differently, so I could post daily, or they&#039;d be shelling out $700 a month base (too much for that job). 

I basically re-worked the fee with her so that I&#039;m on a base rate for the whole month, instead of being paid by the post. It works out as a little less for me in the short term, but is still a fair, and pretty high wage for the work. Plus later no one can say how come you can&#039;t grow the blog (on two posts a week). 

Since I know what a blog needs to grow, and that&#039;s what the client wanted, it would have been irresponsible for me to take the higher wage per post, knowing full well that nothing would come of it for the client.  

In cases like this, where I know I&#039;d be cheating a client, I&#039;ll argue a lower rate, but I also always say, &quot;Once the site grows, we can discuss a raise.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Doug B I recently was offered something like $25 per post at a blog. That would have worked out to about $100 an hour since the topic is an easy one for me. I think they wanted 2 or 3 posts a week. </p>
<p>That said, I could tell the editor was brand new to the blog world and she said she wanted the site to grow, not simply content to fill the space. So I was honest with her and said the site won&#8217;t ever grow if I post only twice a week, and that if growth was the goal, the job needed to pay differently, so I could post daily, or they&#8217;d be shelling out $700 a month base (too much for that job). </p>
<p>I basically re-worked the fee with her so that I&#8217;m on a base rate for the whole month, instead of being paid by the post. It works out as a little less for me in the short term, but is still a fair, and pretty high wage for the work. Plus later no one can say how come you can&#8217;t grow the blog (on two posts a week). </p>
<p>Since I know what a blog needs to grow, and that&#8217;s what the client wanted, it would have been irresponsible for me to take the higher wage per post, knowing full well that nothing would come of it for the client.  </p>
<p>In cases like this, where I know I&#8217;d be cheating a client, I&#8217;ll argue a lower rate, but I also always say, &#8220;Once the site grows, we can discuss a raise.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ann G.</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2008/03/job-ad-feedback-deb-takes-out-an-ad/comment-page-2/#comment-19398</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Location Discussion - I&#039;m about to stop work for the day, but felt urged to come back here and read up.  Two of my biggest clients have been from Spain and I&#039;m in the U.S.  Location really doesn&#039;t matter.  In fact, I landed one of these gigs because I was from the US and they wanted someone who could write &quot;American-English.&quot;  (If you&#039;ve ever been to the UK, you&#039;ll understand that there is a HUGE difference between English and American English.  I learned that years ago when I went to my mom&#039;s Yorkshire hometown and used the phrase &quot;bar-hopping.&quot;  I&#039;ve never lived it down. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Location Discussion &#8211; I&#8217;m about to stop work for the day, but felt urged to come back here and read up.  Two of my biggest clients have been from Spain and I&#8217;m in the U.S.  Location really doesn&#8217;t matter.  In fact, I landed one of these gigs because I was from the US and they wanted someone who could write &#8220;American-English.&#8221;  (If you&#8217;ve ever been to the UK, you&#8217;ll understand that there is a HUGE difference between English and American English.  I learned that years ago when I went to my mom&#8217;s Yorkshire hometown and used the phrase &#8220;bar-hopping.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve never lived it down.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Strong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Strong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Christine - I&#039;m a Canadian writer and over half of my clients are in the US. When I approach companies, I don&#039;t advertise the fact that I am Canadian, but they could easily find that out by looking up my area code. If they ask where I&#039;m located, I tell them but usually they have no idea where Thunder Bay is! I use Minneapolis as a reference point for them, partially because they know where that is and partially to alleviate any uncomfortable feelings they may have about going &quot;cross-border&quot;.

I&#039;m sure that I&#039;ve lost some potential clients to other US writers, but if you sell your strengths they usually don&#039;t dwell on my location (some even like the fact that they are dealing &quot;internationally&quot;). Once I&#039;ve completed a few projects for them, it quickly becomes a non-issue anyway.

~Graham</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Christine &#8211; I&#8217;m a Canadian writer and over half of my clients are in the US. When I approach companies, I don&#8217;t advertise the fact that I am Canadian, but they could easily find that out by looking up my area code. If they ask where I&#8217;m located, I tell them but usually they have no idea where Thunder Bay is! I use Minneapolis as a reference point for them, partially because they know where that is and partially to alleviate any uncomfortable feelings they may have about going &#8220;cross-border&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that I&#8217;ve lost some potential clients to other US writers, but if you sell your strengths they usually don&#8217;t dwell on my location (some even like the fact that they are dealing &#8220;internationally&#8221;). Once I&#8217;ve completed a few projects for them, it quickly becomes a non-issue anyway.</p>
<p>~Graham</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn Hollowell</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2008/03/job-ad-feedback-deb-takes-out-an-ad/comment-page-2/#comment-19396</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenn Hollowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this discussion has certainly take off!! :)

@Deb: Here&#039;s your response to me: @Jenn - While I do believe short and sweet it’s the best way to go, I also think you can be too short and sweet. One liners saying the resume is attached don’t tell me why a candidate is best for the job. A paragraph or two is best - or at least in my opinion.

I agree 100% and will take this to heart from now on when I query.  I worry that these job seekers are so overwhelmed with queries that I cut mine down way too much.  I read an article a few weeks ago saying to let your resume and clips speak for you . . . I took that too literally!  LOL  Thanks!  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this discussion has certainly take off!! <img src='http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Deb: Here&#8217;s your response to me: @Jenn &#8211; While I do believe short and sweet it’s the best way to go, I also think you can be too short and sweet. One liners saying the resume is attached don’t tell me why a candidate is best for the job. A paragraph or two is best &#8211; or at least in my opinion.</p>
<p>I agree 100% and will take this to heart from now on when I query.  I worry that these job seekers are so overwhelmed with queries that I cut mine down way too much.  I read an article a few weeks ago saying to let your resume and clips speak for you . . . I took that too literally!  LOL  Thanks!  <img src='http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mariella</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2008/03/job-ad-feedback-deb-takes-out-an-ad/comment-page-2/#comment-19394</link>
		<dc:creator>Mariella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to echo a lot of what James said, most especially this:

&lt;/i&gt;&quot;Now, my rant said, keep in mind that I’m all for writers doing what they have to do to make ends meet. If you (general you) *need* to write for $0.03 a word to feed your kids, do it. Don’t even think twice. And those writers who look down on you for it? Tell ‘em where to go.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

As a breadwinner supporting someone who&#039;s differently-abled, and another one who&#039;s in college, I&#039;ll take any gig worth my while. There are medications to be bought, tuition fees to be paid -- I&#039;m just being practical. 

@Deb&gt; Hope you enjoyed my samples at least. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to echo a lot of what James said, most especially this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Now, my rant said, keep in mind that I’m all for writers doing what they have to do to make ends meet. If you (general you) *need* to write for $0.03 a word to feed your kids, do it. Don’t even think twice. And those writers who look down on you for it? Tell ‘em where to go.&#8221;</p>
<p>As a breadwinner supporting someone who&#8217;s differently-abled, and another one who&#8217;s in college, I&#8217;ll take any gig worth my while. There are medications to be bought, tuition fees to be paid &#8212; I&#8217;m just being practical. </p>
<p>@Deb&gt; Hope you enjoyed my samples at least. <img src='http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: L. L. Woodard</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2008/03/job-ad-feedback-deb-takes-out-an-ad/comment-page-2/#comment-19393</link>
		<dc:creator>L. L. Woodard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deb, you sure hit a nerve in a lot of us here. Really great discussions by everyone!

I landed a job yesterday for which I had put in what I felt was a decent bid--when it was all said and done, I discovered I will be earning about $0.03/word...but it is a new writing endeavor for me, something new I can add to my resume, a client who looks like she will be a dream with whom to work...and a decent total earnings...so I am excited and proud to have landed the job.

My point is that each of us has our own set of reasons and rationale for what we do. None of needs to feel shame for the needs we have. But along the way, just know that we don&#039;t have to settle for the lower pay rates. When we get the chance to ask for what we feel we are worth, don&#039;t be afraid to take the risk. No one is going to offer us more than we ask for, and I think that is part od Deb&#039;s point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deb, you sure hit a nerve in a lot of us here. Really great discussions by everyone!</p>
<p>I landed a job yesterday for which I had put in what I felt was a decent bid&#8211;when it was all said and done, I discovered I will be earning about $0.03/word&#8230;but it is a new writing endeavor for me, something new I can add to my resume, a client who looks like she will be a dream with whom to work&#8230;and a decent total earnings&#8230;so I am excited and proud to have landed the job.</p>
<p>My point is that each of us has our own set of reasons and rationale for what we do. None of needs to feel shame for the needs we have. But along the way, just know that we don&#8217;t have to settle for the lower pay rates. When we get the chance to ask for what we feel we are worth, don&#8217;t be afraid to take the risk. No one is going to offer us more than we ask for, and I think that is part od Deb&#8217;s point.</p>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2008/03/job-ad-feedback-deb-takes-out-an-ad/comment-page-2/#comment-19392</link>
		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally prefer rates upfront. Mainly because i may not know what the going rate is for said article, topic. etc.

I do know what is too low a rate, but may not know the right rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally prefer rates upfront. Mainly because i may not know what the going rate is for said article, topic. etc.</p>
<p>I do know what is too low a rate, but may not know the right rate.</p>
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		<title>By: James Chartrand - Men with Pens</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2008/03/job-ad-feedback-deb-takes-out-an-ad/comment-page-2/#comment-19390</link>
		<dc:creator>James Chartrand - Men with Pens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Christine - As a Canadian with a 95% U.S. client base, the answer to your question would be, &quot;No.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Christine &#8211; As a Canadian with a 95% U.S. client base, the answer to your question would be, &#8220;No.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: James Chartrand - Men with Pens</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2008/03/job-ad-feedback-deb-takes-out-an-ad/comment-page-2/#comment-19389</link>
		<dc:creator>James Chartrand - Men with Pens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mary - Only if they are a U.S. writer, in which case they would be actually losing money on that job. 

No one can really blame other people in other countries for charging rates that equate to their economy. The buyer gets what he pays for - which may or may not be very good or culturally related.

@ Loretta - There is a huge divide in an acceptable rate for print content and online content. You can&#039;t expect to get one for the other, as they&#039;re not the same industry. Generally, they should be the same quality, of course.

@ Sandy - Yes, everyone starts somewhere. The new plumbing guy won&#039;t charge what the pro does - but the rates, while varied, should be within the same range and not wildly divergent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mary &#8211; Only if they are a U.S. writer, in which case they would be actually losing money on that job. </p>
<p>No one can really blame other people in other countries for charging rates that equate to their economy. The buyer gets what he pays for &#8211; which may or may not be very good or culturally related.</p>
<p>@ Loretta &#8211; There is a huge divide in an acceptable rate for print content and online content. You can&#8217;t expect to get one for the other, as they&#8217;re not the same industry. Generally, they should be the same quality, of course.</p>
<p>@ Sandy &#8211; Yes, everyone starts somewhere. The new plumbing guy won&#8217;t charge what the pro does &#8211; but the rates, while varied, should be within the same range and not wildly divergent.</p>
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		<title>By: Hazel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hazel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Doug B -- I also had a client tell me recently that I had underbid a job. We&#039;ve worked together a lot, and I based my bid on some previous jobs I&#039;d done for her, but she was actually anticipating something that would require more research. She&#039;s golden, and I got the gig for a higher price! So ... when she asked me recently to lower my bid on a long-term series, I obliged, thinking that maybe I could cut my time per-piece after the first few.
Give a little, get a little ...
But I still won&#039;t work for 20 cents a word! If I don&#039;t have a clue about the work, I quote high (usually $1 a word) and say I will set the actual fee when I know more about the gig. If they are looking for someone without my skill and experience, that&#039;s fine with me. If they want me, they need to pay for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Doug B &#8212; I also had a client tell me recently that I had underbid a job. We&#8217;ve worked together a lot, and I based my bid on some previous jobs I&#8217;d done for her, but she was actually anticipating something that would require more research. She&#8217;s golden, and I got the gig for a higher price! So &#8230; when she asked me recently to lower my bid on a long-term series, I obliged, thinking that maybe I could cut my time per-piece after the first few.<br />
Give a little, get a little &#8230;<br />
But I still won&#8217;t work for 20 cents a word! If I don&#8217;t have a clue about the work, I quote high (usually $1 a word) and say I will set the actual fee when I know more about the gig. If they are looking for someone without my skill and experience, that&#8217;s fine with me. If they want me, they need to pay for me.</p>
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