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	<title>Comments on: Freelance Writing Rates &#8211; Have at It!</title>
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		<title>By: Ryan Squibb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Squibb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 06:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the average freelance pay for writing radio commercial spots?</description>
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		<title>By: Scribe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking through all of these posts, I&#039;m wondering--how the heck can people settle for such low rates?!?! If you make $35k a year, you&#039;re averaging something like $18/hr for actual work. That&#039;s a pretty base pay for a college grad, but let&#039;s go with that for the argument I&#039;m about to make. Now, that $18/hr might be taxed by your state and the feds, but it might include things like health care--even a partial amount and the use of office equipment like you know, computers, lights, folders, pens, staplers, a desk...you get the picture. 

Now, as a freelancer, if you were to say, &#039;Well, $35k aint bad, so I&#039;ll charge $18/hr too,&#039; you would be missing a HUGE segment of what you&#039;re employer previously paid for you: medicare and social security. Plus, you&#039;ll have to pay self-employment taxes, not to mention regular taxes and things like your desk and your phone and yadayada. So what does this mean? You&#039;ll be &quot;taking home&quot; something like $9/hr. That&#039;s about minimum wage in my state. And for a college grad? That&#039;s insane! Let&#039;s say you&#039;re lucky and get 25 hours of billable work per week. You&#039;ll be taking home something like $225 per week, working full time (with marketing time, etc.) Can you live off of that? I think not.

So, the best way to figure out what you&#039;re worth is to multiply a standard hourly you&#039;d earn at a &quot;real&quot; job by 2.5. So that $18/hr becomes $45. If you&#039;re not fresh out of college and you&#039;ve been doing this for a few years, then you can charge upwards of $60. And for pros, you can charge $75, $100 or more. Just think, agencies charge their clients $125-$200/hr.

So, what are you worth? Shouldnt you be able to eat and pay your rent and afford health care? Don&#039;t you deserve to live when you&#039;re working so darn hard?

I think so. 

Time to make those clients show us writers more respect! Raise your rates! Take a stand! Show them you&#039;re worth it.

OK, I guess it&#039;s time to go write a Clairol commerical...

--Scribe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking through all of these posts, I&#8217;m wondering&#8211;how the heck can people settle for such low rates?!?! If you make $35k a year, you&#8217;re averaging something like $18/hr for actual work. That&#8217;s a pretty base pay for a college grad, but let&#8217;s go with that for the argument I&#8217;m about to make. Now, that $18/hr might be taxed by your state and the feds, but it might include things like health care&#8211;even a partial amount and the use of office equipment like you know, computers, lights, folders, pens, staplers, a desk&#8230;you get the picture. </p>
<p>Now, as a freelancer, if you were to say, &#8216;Well, $35k aint bad, so I&#8217;ll charge $18/hr too,&#8217; you would be missing a HUGE segment of what you&#8217;re employer previously paid for you: medicare and social security. Plus, you&#8217;ll have to pay self-employment taxes, not to mention regular taxes and things like your desk and your phone and yadayada. So what does this mean? You&#8217;ll be &#8220;taking home&#8221; something like $9/hr. That&#8217;s about minimum wage in my state. And for a college grad? That&#8217;s insane! Let&#8217;s say you&#8217;re lucky and get 25 hours of billable work per week. You&#8217;ll be taking home something like $225 per week, working full time (with marketing time, etc.) Can you live off of that? I think not.</p>
<p>So, the best way to figure out what you&#8217;re worth is to multiply a standard hourly you&#8217;d earn at a &#8220;real&#8221; job by 2.5. So that $18/hr becomes $45. If you&#8217;re not fresh out of college and you&#8217;ve been doing this for a few years, then you can charge upwards of $60. And for pros, you can charge $75, $100 or more. Just think, agencies charge their clients $125-$200/hr.</p>
<p>So, what are you worth? Shouldnt you be able to eat and pay your rent and afford health care? Don&#8217;t you deserve to live when you&#8217;re working so darn hard?</p>
<p>I think so. </p>
<p>Time to make those clients show us writers more respect! Raise your rates! Take a stand! Show them you&#8217;re worth it.</p>
<p>OK, I guess it&#8217;s time to go write a Clairol commerical&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8211;Scribe</p>
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		<title>By: FWJ Poll: What Do You Consider a Fair Wage&#160;&#124;&#160;Freelance Writing Jobs</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2008/07/freelance-writing-rates-have-at-it/comment-page-2/#comment-52781</link>
		<dc:creator>FWJ Poll: What Do You Consider a Fair Wage&#160;&#124;&#160;Freelance Writing Jobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hope you will be realistic and honest and put in your going rate or what you consider is fair. Hopefully these polls will help clients determine a realistic fair [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Why You Shouldn&#8217;t Ask for a Raise&#160;&#124;&#160;Freelance Writing Jobs</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2008/07/freelance-writing-rates-have-at-it/comment-page-2/#comment-50829</link>
		<dc:creator>Why You Shouldn&#8217;t Ask for a Raise&#160;&#124;&#160;Freelance Writing Jobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a pay rate for any gig creates a standard of expectation for value delivered. If you provide a particular level of quality [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jodee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Guys, 

Deb gave me the Red Button and instructions on when to use it. This is one of those times. You were told that no personal attacks were allowed and they are not. I&#039;ve removed a few comments that were offensive and I will do so again if need be. 

If anyone feels the need to vent and isn&#039;t sure whether it should be for public consumption, take it to e-mail. I read all of them and your comments will be confidential. freelancewritinggigs@gmail.com 

Please keep it civil. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Guys, </p>
<p>Deb gave me the Red Button and instructions on when to use it. This is one of those times. You were told that no personal attacks were allowed and they are not. I&#8217;ve removed a few comments that were offensive and I will do so again if need be. </p>
<p>If anyone feels the need to vent and isn&#8217;t sure whether it should be for public consumption, take it to e-mail. I read all of them and your comments will be confidential. <a href="mailto:freelancewritinggigs@gmail.com">freelancewritinggigs@gmail.com</a> </p>
<p>Please keep it civil. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Scribette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scribette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jodee - I am just trying to help writers realize that they can make more money if they do have the experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jodee &#8211; I am just trying to help writers realize that they can make more money if they do have the experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Jodee</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2008/07/freelance-writing-rates-have-at-it/comment-page-2/#comment-31132</link>
		<dc:creator>Jodee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Allison: Your comment makes perfect sense to me, but not everyone agrees.

I came across an ad this morning from someone wanting a writer to &quot;trade&quot; their services for a service from the client. If there is a mutual benefit, then I don&#039;t have a problem with this kind of arrangement but what works the best for me is to &quot;trade&quot; my work for the client&#039;s cash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Allison: Your comment makes perfect sense to me, but not everyone agrees.</p>
<p>I came across an ad this morning from someone wanting a writer to &#8220;trade&#8221; their services for a service from the client. If there is a mutual benefit, then I don&#8217;t have a problem with this kind of arrangement but what works the best for me is to &#8220;trade&#8221; my work for the client&#8217;s cash.</p>
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		<title>By: Scribette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scribette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allison - ok glad you didnt!  Many people were thinking that they were spotlighted jobs on the blog from the comments that I read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allison &#8211; ok glad you didnt!  Many people were thinking that they were spotlighted jobs on the blog from the comments that I read.</p>
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		<title>By: Scribette</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2008/07/freelance-writing-rates-have-at-it/comment-page-2/#comment-31130</link>
		<dc:creator>Scribette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leigh - yes that is exactly what surprised ... no shocked me - under $20 for a press release is incomprehensible to me.

Just wanted to say also that low rates are fine when you are just starting out.  (I paid my dues too - at $10 an hour I believe).  That said, you deserve more money when you have more experience.  

Employers need your services and they benefit financially from your talent.  Don&#039;t underestimate or undersell yourself is my point.  There are places even online that do pay much more than $10-20 for 500 words.

You can and will demand more $ when you change your mindset.  I realize that some of you need the $ now - as Phil said though, you should continually work on replacing low paying gigs with higher paying ones - makes sense!  And in the end ... who benefits? You do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leigh &#8211; yes that is exactly what surprised &#8230; no shocked me &#8211; under $20 for a press release is incomprehensible to me.</p>
<p>Just wanted to say also that low rates are fine when you are just starting out.  (I paid my dues too &#8211; at $10 an hour I believe).  That said, you deserve more money when you have more experience.  </p>
<p>Employers need your services and they benefit financially from your talent.  Don&#8217;t underestimate or undersell yourself is my point.  There are places even online that do pay much more than $10-20 for 500 words.</p>
<p>You can and will demand more $ when you change your mindset.  I realize that some of you need the $ now &#8211; as Phil said though, you should continually work on replacing low paying gigs with higher paying ones &#8211; makes sense!  And in the end &#8230; who benefits? You do!</p>
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		<title>By: Allison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who stumbled across this site a few weeks ago (brilliant by the way!  Kudos to the maintainers), when I saw the stand-alone job postings, I never thought that they were &#039;special&#039; - in the sense that they were being championed by anyone &amp; thus standing separately from the other postings.

Am I being too passive in thinking that this is a wonderful place to come &amp; see a gathering of writing gigs?  If you don&#039;t like what you see, move on.  Find gigs you DO like.  No one but you holds the reins of your life choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who stumbled across this site a few weeks ago (brilliant by the way!  Kudos to the maintainers), when I saw the stand-alone job postings, I never thought that they were &#8217;special&#8217; &#8211; in the sense that they were being championed by anyone &amp; thus standing separately from the other postings.</p>
<p>Am I being too passive in thinking that this is a wonderful place to come &amp; see a gathering of writing gigs?  If you don&#8217;t like what you see, move on.  Find gigs you DO like.  No one but you holds the reins of your life choices.</p>
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