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	<title>Comments on: Pushing the Envelope: To Offend or Not to Offend</title>
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		<title>By: becky</title>
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		<dc:creator>becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Amy - you know, I used to think that way, too, about my personal blog. But once you know who I am and where I write, it&#039;s easy to find it. Therefore, potential clients could find it. I had to make a decision about that blog. I still write about personal things, but I chose to clean up my language. One, my mother might find it and I certainly don&#039;t want to offend her - she doesn&#039;t swear and I respect her so much that I don&#039;t want her to think ill of me. Second, some clients wouldn&#039;t want to hire based on the foul language. We as writers know that we can use different voices, tones, and attitudes in our writing, but the client may not know that. So it has been a personal choice to be selective about my writing while still getting a chance to write for myself.

@James - I have a group of friends that refuses to talk about religion or politics when they&#039;re together. They&#039;ve been friends for many years, and each of them have varying political and religious viewpoints. They credit this topic ban as the reason they&#039;ve been able to remain friends for so long. They are such volatile subjects that many relationships have been damaged by discussing them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Amy &#8211; you know, I used to think that way, too, about my personal blog. But once you know who I am and where I write, it&#8217;s easy to find it. Therefore, potential clients could find it. I had to make a decision about that blog. I still write about personal things, but I chose to clean up my language. One, my mother might find it and I certainly don&#8217;t want to offend her &#8211; she doesn&#8217;t swear and I respect her so much that I don&#8217;t want her to think ill of me. Second, some clients wouldn&#8217;t want to hire based on the foul language. We as writers know that we can use different voices, tones, and attitudes in our writing, but the client may not know that. So it has been a personal choice to be selective about my writing while still getting a chance to write for myself.</p>
<p>@James &#8211; I have a group of friends that refuses to talk about religion or politics when they&#8217;re together. They&#8217;ve been friends for many years, and each of them have varying political and religious viewpoints. They credit this topic ban as the reason they&#8217;ve been able to remain friends for so long. They are such volatile subjects that many relationships have been damaged by discussing them.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice responses all, thanks. 

@Amy - thanks for getting it. There is a large silent majority at FWJ. When they chime in it&#039;s usually to say it&#039;s the negativity that keeps them from commenting or keeps them from coming back. I do have the big picture to consider.

@Aurora - I think one can be edgy and sassy and funny without offending. A great writer knows how to use smaller words to make a bigger impact.

@Skippy - I would say the most important part of freelance writing is knowing your employer, his audience and his vision.

@Dani - Thank you, my sentiments exactly.

@James &amp; Lindsey - It is absolutely about respect. As stated above there are ways to have fun and be creative and edgy without pushing it.I guess I&#039;m just safe that way?

@MJ - Boy do I know from arguing and you&#039;re right. Even if your being safe there are people who will argue and pick apart your work just for the sake of arguing.

I think we all agree there&#039;s a time and a place for everything. I learned the hard way what this community wanted because my traffic started leaving by the busloads. They don&#039;t want to come to a negative environment and so I provide them with a safe haven. I think there&#039;s a difference between being edgy and injecting humor into a piece than there is being edgy for a reaction or create controversy for the sake of traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice responses all, thanks. </p>
<p>@Amy &#8211; thanks for getting it. There is a large silent majority at FWJ. When they chime in it&#8217;s usually to say it&#8217;s the negativity that keeps them from commenting or keeps them from coming back. I do have the big picture to consider.</p>
<p>@Aurora &#8211; I think one can be edgy and sassy and funny without offending. A great writer knows how to use smaller words to make a bigger impact.</p>
<p>@Skippy &#8211; I would say the most important part of freelance writing is knowing your employer, his audience and his vision.</p>
<p>@Dani &#8211; Thank you, my sentiments exactly.</p>
<p>@James &#038; Lindsey &#8211; It is absolutely about respect. As stated above there are ways to have fun and be creative and edgy without pushing it.I guess I&#8217;m just safe that way?</p>
<p>@MJ &#8211; Boy do I know from arguing and you&#8217;re right. Even if your being safe there are people who will argue and pick apart your work just for the sake of arguing.</p>
<p>I think we all agree there&#8217;s a time and a place for everything. I learned the hard way what this community wanted because my traffic started leaving by the busloads. They don&#8217;t want to come to a negative environment and so I provide them with a safe haven. I think there&#8217;s a difference between being edgy and injecting humor into a piece than there is being edgy for a reaction or create controversy for the sake of traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Aurora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aurora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that as a writer, if I offend one single reader than I have not done my job to the best of my ability. There is a difference between writing and making people *think* and writing to serve your own agenda, without consideration for your readers. 

When it comes to freelance jobs, I write for the readers, because I feel I am paid to do that (but, least we forget there are many out there who are paid to write specifically to push the envelope and be more sensational in nature). 

I would think that going into any freelance job, you would have an understanding of which side of the line you need to write on before taking on the task.

I think Skippy said it best: &quot;when you know your audience and you know your purpose&quot;. I agree completely. When you know those things, the question of  &quot;have I gone to far?&quot;, should never even be an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that as a writer, if I offend one single reader than I have not done my job to the best of my ability. There is a difference between writing and making people *think* and writing to serve your own agenda, without consideration for your readers. </p>
<p>When it comes to freelance jobs, I write for the readers, because I feel I am paid to do that (but, least we forget there are many out there who are paid to write specifically to push the envelope and be more sensational in nature). </p>
<p>I would think that going into any freelance job, you would have an understanding of which side of the line you need to write on before taking on the task.</p>
<p>I think Skippy said it best: &#8220;when you know your audience and you know your purpose&#8221;. I agree completely. When you know those things, the question of  &#8220;have I gone to far?&#8221;, should never even be an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Skippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, this is simple--it&#039;s always know your audience, know your purpose. I write mostly educational material and in both reading comprehension and writing courses, &quot;author&#039;s purpose&quot; and &quot;know your audience&quot; are topics that will always be covered. They&#039;re listed in almost every state guideline and there will be questions about them on almost every standardized test. Sure, go ahead, push the envelope, but make sure your&#039;e doing it in the right place and for the right reason (and for the record, ed pub is probably not the right place to do it; the guidelines of don&#039;ts is pretty long).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, this is simple&#8211;it&#8217;s always know your audience, know your purpose. I write mostly educational material and in both reading comprehension and writing courses, &#8220;author&#8217;s purpose&#8221; and &#8220;know your audience&#8221; are topics that will always be covered. They&#8217;re listed in almost every state guideline and there will be questions about them on almost every standardized test. Sure, go ahead, push the envelope, but make sure your&#8217;e doing it in the right place and for the right reason (and for the record, ed pub is probably not the right place to do it; the guidelines of don&#8217;ts is pretty long).</p>
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		<title>By: Dani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Are there ways of getting your message across without going for the shock and awe factor?&quot;

I vote &quot;Yes&quot;. I think some of the best writing in the world for literature and film is so great not because of &#039;shock and awe&#039; but because it is the well-crafted and well-executed telling of a story or making of a point.

I believe you can be engaging, thought-provoking, and powerful without resorting to &#039;shock and awe&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are there ways of getting your message across without going for the shock and awe factor?&#8221;</p>
<p>I vote &#8220;Yes&#8221;. I think some of the best writing in the world for literature and film is so great not because of &#8217;shock and awe&#8217; but because it is the well-crafted and well-executed telling of a story or making of a point.</p>
<p>I believe you can be engaging, thought-provoking, and powerful without resorting to &#8217;shock and awe&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Derby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Derby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deb -- I think it depends where you are writing and what the purpose of the blog is. If it&#039;s my own blog, I say what I want, however I want to say it. I blog the way I talk, curse words and all. Some people like it, others don&#039;t. Just like when people meet me in person, not everyone is thrilled with my appearance or language. If they like me, great. If not, there&#039;s the door. But the line here is that my blog is primarily for fun. It&#039;s not a business, and my goal isn&#039;t to please everyone in order to obtain better revenue/income or gain a lot of subscribers. When I&#039;m writing for blogs with that goal -- clients&#039; blogs and such -- I write the way they want me to write, which generally includes not cussing or talking about my decision not to shave my legs that morning. There are places where pushing the envelope is appropriate and places where it isn&#039;t. Other times, it&#039;s hard to know where to draw the line. For example, although you say you weren&#039;t thrilled with #12&#039;s muse post this round, that post would have fit perfectly on my blog. While I saw that post&#039;s appearance here as &quot;Yay! Things are finally livening up a little at FWJ,&quot; I can see how you would see it as &quot;Oh no, I&#039;m losing visitors, which means losing revenue.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deb &#8212; I think it depends where you are writing and what the purpose of the blog is. If it&#8217;s my own blog, I say what I want, however I want to say it. I blog the way I talk, curse words and all. Some people like it, others don&#8217;t. Just like when people meet me in person, not everyone is thrilled with my appearance or language. If they like me, great. If not, there&#8217;s the door. But the line here is that my blog is primarily for fun. It&#8217;s not a business, and my goal isn&#8217;t to please everyone in order to obtain better revenue/income or gain a lot of subscribers. When I&#8217;m writing for blogs with that goal &#8212; clients&#8217; blogs and such &#8212; I write the way they want me to write, which generally includes not cussing or talking about my decision not to shave my legs that morning. There are places where pushing the envelope is appropriate and places where it isn&#8217;t. Other times, it&#8217;s hard to know where to draw the line. For example, although you say you weren&#8217;t thrilled with #12&#8217;s muse post this round, that post would have fit perfectly on my blog. While I saw that post&#8217;s appearance here as &#8220;Yay! Things are finally livening up a little at FWJ,&#8221; I can see how you would see it as &#8220;Oh no, I&#8217;m losing visitors, which means losing revenue.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: #12</title>
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		<dc:creator>#12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as anyone who has read my Blog Idol entry for this week knows, I&#039;m not afraid to make people a little uncomfortable and take a little flack for it as well as engage people in discussions.

With that said, I pick my battles. In my time as an ad copywriter, I have come head-to-head with many a creative director, client, and even consumer who wanted the team to &quot;play it safe.&quot; But let&#039;s be serious, do you really remember the advertisements that play it safe? There is so much media thrown at the average consumer that it takes a bit of brute force to catch their attention sometimes. And I am glad there are people who aren&#039;t afraid to use it.

But let&#039;s get back to picking battles. I&#039;m not going to offend JUST to offend. I&#039;m not going to egg people on and make people mad just to do so. And I&#039;m not going to bring up a religious discussion between staunch atheists and resolute evangelicals. ;) 

It&#039;s all about opening up lines of discussion, whether you&#039;re writing a book, a blog, an ad or a letter. And as consumers (as well as writers) we have a sort of obligation to be a part of that discussion-- be it in responding, buying or whatever. Because what&#039;s the point of stating a point if no one is listening to anyone else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as anyone who has read my Blog Idol entry for this week knows, I&#8217;m not afraid to make people a little uncomfortable and take a little flack for it as well as engage people in discussions.</p>
<p>With that said, I pick my battles. In my time as an ad copywriter, I have come head-to-head with many a creative director, client, and even consumer who wanted the team to &#8220;play it safe.&#8221; But let&#8217;s be serious, do you really remember the advertisements that play it safe? There is so much media thrown at the average consumer that it takes a bit of brute force to catch their attention sometimes. And I am glad there are people who aren&#8217;t afraid to use it.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s get back to picking battles. I&#8217;m not going to offend JUST to offend. I&#8217;m not going to egg people on and make people mad just to do so. And I&#8217;m not going to bring up a religious discussion between staunch atheists and resolute evangelicals. <img src='http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about opening up lines of discussion, whether you&#8217;re writing a book, a blog, an ad or a letter. And as consumers (as well as writers) we have a sort of obligation to be a part of that discussion&#8211; be it in responding, buying or whatever. Because what&#8217;s the point of stating a point if no one is listening to anyone else?</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Unfortunately, too many people have the inability to remain respectful and stay calm. So maybe that’s really the issue of the whole topic. It isn’t about what we write - it’s about the general ability of people to discuss it with respect.&quot;

True! Especially if you are writing online. I find people who can hide behind a username will say things that they would never say to that person&#039;s face, that&#039;s for sure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Unfortunately, too many people have the inability to remain respectful and stay calm. So maybe that’s really the issue of the whole topic. It isn’t about what we write &#8211; it’s about the general ability of people to discuss it with respect.&#8221;</p>
<p>True! Especially if you are writing online. I find people who can hide behind a username will say things that they would never say to that person&#8217;s face, that&#8217;s for sure!</p>
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		<title>By: James Chartrand - Men with Pens</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Chartrand - Men with Pens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, for sure. I agree with you there. We fear what we do not understand and that causes closed minds. Calm discussion and sharing of views always helps makes things less sensitive and more widely accepted.

Unfortunately, too many people have the inability to remain respectful and stay calm. So maybe that&#039;s really the issue of the whole topic. It isn&#039;t about what we write - it&#039;s about the general ability of people to discuss it with respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, for sure. I agree with you there. We fear what we do not understand and that causes closed minds. Calm discussion and sharing of views always helps makes things less sensitive and more widely accepted.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, too many people have the inability to remain respectful and stay calm. So maybe that&#8217;s really the issue of the whole topic. It isn&#8217;t about what we write &#8211; it&#8217;s about the general ability of people to discuss it with respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No James, I would agree that religion and patriotism are sensitive topics for everyone. I just don&#039;t think you should stay away from them entirely. I think having a dialogue about these topics helps people get a better understanding of the issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No James, I would agree that religion and patriotism are sensitive topics for everyone. I just don&#8217;t think you should stay away from them entirely. I think having a dialogue about these topics helps people get a better understanding of the issues.</p>
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