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		<title>By: Revealing Your Writing Rates &#124; Real Words</title>
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		<dc:creator>Revealing Your Writing Rates &#124; Real Words</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to be true for most freelance writers who have a blog is that they don&#8217;t reveal their own writing rates on their blog. For the most part, this doesn&#8217;t bother me. However, I do wonder why [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to be true for most freelance writers who have a blog is that they don&#8217;t reveal their own writing rates on their blog. For the most part, this doesn&#8217;t bother me. However, I do wonder why [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Homeworking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Homeworking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that many freelance writers fail to see the bigger picture when they first start out.  On day one you&#039;re sat in your home office, staring at your screen - and initially all you&#039;ll see are the seemingly low-paying adverts.  It&#039;s tempting to just close the window, sigh and dream of being the next best-selling author!

But everybody needs to start somewhere and if you take on a few $5-50 jobs, you&#039;re gaining experience and a portfolio of delighted clients.  Make sure you obtain a testimonial from each client.

Armed with your portfolio of completed jobs, you&#039;re now a much more marketable commodity.  Nobody but you knows you only got paid $5-50 for each of the jobs!  What people DO know is that you&#039;re an experienced writer, who can turn their hand to a number of diverse projects and timescales and have happy client testimonials to back that up!

Once you&#039;ve got a portfolio, you can start to make contacts with people, perhaps when networking, and the fact you&#039;ve done some work before will start to draw people towards you.  People will start to pass on your details, they&#039;ll know you&#039;re a writer who does freelance work, you&#039;ll start to get calls.

See the bigger picture and use low-paying freelance jobs to produce your all-important portfolio, testimonials and evidence of good work completed!

Good luck everybody!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that many freelance writers fail to see the bigger picture when they first start out.  On day one you&#8217;re sat in your home office, staring at your screen &#8211; and initially all you&#8217;ll see are the seemingly low-paying adverts.  It&#8217;s tempting to just close the window, sigh and dream of being the next best-selling author!</p>
<p>But everybody needs to start somewhere and if you take on a few $5-50 jobs, you&#8217;re gaining experience and a portfolio of delighted clients.  Make sure you obtain a testimonial from each client.</p>
<p>Armed with your portfolio of completed jobs, you&#8217;re now a much more marketable commodity.  Nobody but you knows you only got paid $5-50 for each of the jobs!  What people DO know is that you&#8217;re an experienced writer, who can turn their hand to a number of diverse projects and timescales and have happy client testimonials to back that up!</p>
<p>Once you&#8217;ve got a portfolio, you can start to make contacts with people, perhaps when networking, and the fact you&#8217;ve done some work before will start to draw people towards you.  People will start to pass on your details, they&#8217;ll know you&#8217;re a writer who does freelance work, you&#8217;ll start to get calls.</p>
<p>See the bigger picture and use low-paying freelance jobs to produce your all-important portfolio, testimonials and evidence of good work completed!</p>
<p>Good luck everybody!</p>
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		<title>By: jlg</title>
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		<dc:creator>jlg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I immensely enjoy your article, James. Great stuff, as always!

  I hope I would be not be impolite if I ask a question through this board. My question is not within your article but somehow related to it.
(Maybe my question had been resolved elsewhere in this site but I seem not to find it).

   Here goes:
   What should a freelance do when a client pays half of the agreed amount ? (example, the agreed fee is $20. The writer wrote and submitted the article but the &quot;client&#039; sent only $10). 

   Worse case_-- what should a freelance writer do when the client does pay the submitted articles? ( Client ignores all communication and just &quot; disappears&quot;, so to speak). 

  James, kindly delete my post if this is off topic in your article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I immensely enjoy your article, James. Great stuff, as always!</p>
<p>  I hope I would be not be impolite if I ask a question through this board. My question is not within your article but somehow related to it.<br />
(Maybe my question had been resolved elsewhere in this site but I seem not to find it).</p>
<p>   Here goes:<br />
   What should a freelance do when a client pays half of the agreed amount ? (example, the agreed fee is $20. The writer wrote and submitted the article but the &#8220;client&#8217; sent only $10). </p>
<p>   Worse case_&#8211; what should a freelance writer do when the client does pay the submitted articles? ( Client ignores all communication and just &#8221; disappears&#8221;, so to speak). </p>
<p>  James, kindly delete my post if this is off topic in your article.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this discussion of what a writer SHOULD make may be irrelevant for a writer starting out without any backlog of experience.  In fact, a writer may choose to write for nothing in order to build a good collection of published clips.  Or she might decide to take a lower fee in anticipation of a large quantity of future work, etc.  

Bottom line: work is a good thing, and it&#039;s usually a bad idea to turn down a paying client because they don&#039;t hit an artificial per-hour fee.  There&#039;s certainly no guarantee that the next client will pay more - and you can easily end up with no clients, no clips, no nothing.

ON THE OTHER HAND - when I taught the Business of Freelance Writing class at Penn, I told my students NEVER to charge under $20 per hour.  Why?  Most clients assume they get what they pay for.  And a writer who charges $8 per hour is almost certainly a brand-new writer who is honing his skills on the client&#039;s nickel!  (Of course, if both parties to agree to the arrangement, that&#039;s fine - but it&#039;s a rare situation!)

Lisa Rudy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this discussion of what a writer SHOULD make may be irrelevant for a writer starting out without any backlog of experience.  In fact, a writer may choose to write for nothing in order to build a good collection of published clips.  Or she might decide to take a lower fee in anticipation of a large quantity of future work, etc.  </p>
<p>Bottom line: work is a good thing, and it&#8217;s usually a bad idea to turn down a paying client because they don&#8217;t hit an artificial per-hour fee.  There&#8217;s certainly no guarantee that the next client will pay more &#8211; and you can easily end up with no clients, no clips, no nothing.</p>
<p>ON THE OTHER HAND &#8211; when I taught the Business of Freelance Writing class at Penn, I told my students NEVER to charge under $20 per hour.  Why?  Most clients assume they get what they pay for.  And a writer who charges $8 per hour is almost certainly a brand-new writer who is honing his skills on the client&#8217;s nickel!  (Of course, if both parties to agree to the arrangement, that&#8217;s fine &#8211; but it&#8217;s a rare situation!)</p>
<p>Lisa Rudy</p>
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		<title>By: James Chartrand</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Chartrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jen - Okay, I think we&#039;re saying the same thing. Sorta. Not sure. Anyways. I said to use the minimum wage as a consideration along with other factors - not on its own. I mentioned business expenses, which will of course affect rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jen &#8211; Okay, I think we&#8217;re saying the same thing. Sorta. Not sure. Anyways. I said to use the minimum wage as a consideration along with other factors &#8211; not on its own. I mentioned business expenses, which will of course affect rates.</p>
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		<title>By: James Chartrand</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Chartrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jenn - I&#039;m not sure I understand what you&#039;re saying in the second paragraph, and I am interested, considering you feel that minimum wage has no bearing whatsoever. (Dunno about you, but I wouldn&#039;t want to be working for less than that...)

Also, it seems that the arguments you bring forth about employer&#039;s contribution may not apply to all situations. In the case where there is no employer/employee relationship but rather a business/sub-contractor relationship, I have trouble seeing how these costs apply. Not saying they don&#039;t - just saying that as worded, I can&#039;t see it right now (hence, my request that you go into a bit more detail. Help me out, hm?)

Lastly, are you referring to a U.S. only situation? Some of the contributions you mention don&#039;t apply to other countries.

Anyways, let me know. I&#039;m interested!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jenn &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure I understand what you&#8217;re saying in the second paragraph, and I am interested, considering you feel that minimum wage has no bearing whatsoever. (Dunno about you, but I wouldn&#8217;t want to be working for less than that&#8230;)</p>
<p>Also, it seems that the arguments you bring forth about employer&#8217;s contribution may not apply to all situations. In the case where there is no employer/employee relationship but rather a business/sub-contractor relationship, I have trouble seeing how these costs apply. Not saying they don&#8217;t &#8211; just saying that as worded, I can&#8217;t see it right now (hence, my request that you go into a bit more detail. Help me out, hm?)</p>
<p>Lastly, are you referring to a U.S. only situation? Some of the contributions you mention don&#8217;t apply to other countries.</p>
<p>Anyways, let me know. I&#8217;m interested!</p>
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		<title>By: James Chartrand</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Chartrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Scribette - Well, there really are no advanced degrees for writing, but I&#039;ll agree that legal writers should have legal background, medical writers need medical background, etc, so perhaps that&#039;s what you mean. 

I&#039;m glad that you also learned those important skills in university. I attended two years of university, and that training didn&#039;t come close to teaching me what I&#039;d learned through everyday interaction with people in high-stress jobs. 

What I *did* learn in university is that one should never underestimate the value of other types of education beyond that learned in the classroom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Scribette &#8211; Well, there really are no advanced degrees for writing, but I&#8217;ll agree that legal writers should have legal background, medical writers need medical background, etc, so perhaps that&#8217;s what you mean. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that you also learned those important skills in university. I attended two years of university, and that training didn&#8217;t come close to teaching me what I&#8217;d learned through everyday interaction with people in high-stress jobs. </p>
<p>What I *did* learn in university is that one should never underestimate the value of other types of education beyond that learned in the classroom.</p>
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		<title>By: Scribette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scribette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add, I believe that the most important item that I learned at university (along with time management, perseverance, how to debate, how to handle stress, how to work as a team and on your own, how to properly pour a beer LOL, etc) was &quot;how to think critically&quot;.  I do not believe that I would have learned that skill in another type of environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add, I believe that the most important item that I learned at university (along with time management, perseverance, how to debate, how to handle stress, how to work as a team and on your own, how to properly pour a beer LOL, etc) was &#8220;how to think critically&#8221;.  I do not believe that I would have learned that skill in another type of environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Scribette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scribette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In more specialized areas of writing, degrees are usually required. (in many cases, advanced degrees are required).

That said, as mentioned before, there are many excellent writers who do not have formal education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In more specialized areas of writing, degrees are usually required. (in many cases, advanced degrees are required).</p>
<p>That said, as mentioned before, there are many excellent writers who do not have formal education.</p>
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		<title>By: lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I do is meet with the client once to determine the details of the project, the process to be followed, the fee structure, etc.  Then I write up a memo describing what I understand to be our agreement, and send it to the client asking them to review and either agree or ask for changes.

Occasionally we will either make changes or clarify - and that&#039;s fine.

Once we&#039;re on the same page, I turn the memo into a short letter of agreement.  If the project is more than a couple of hundred dollars, I always break the fee into at least 2 parts, and ask for a portion of the fee &quot;upon signing&quot; of the letter of agreement.

As soon as that letter is signed, I&#039;m &quot;on the clock.&quot;  (Unless I&#039;m working for someone who I know well, and with whom I&#039;m completely comfortable.  In that case, I still have a written agreement - but I might start working before the letter is signed and sealed).

BTW - quite agree that degrees are essentially irrelevant.  If you have a couple of published clips that relate to the client&#039;s needs, you should be just fine.  

Also: have never found the &quot;I need X amount so I&#039;ll charge Y amount per hour&quot; formula to work especially well in real life.  It&#039;s like making a family budget: it sounds great, until the transmission blows out, or your mother gets sick and needs you to fly to Florida tomorrow.  Basically, I find that I work on projects that are available, at the best price I can negotiate.  If other, more lucrative projects come up at the same time, I just stay up later or get up earlier!

Lisa Rudy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I do is meet with the client once to determine the details of the project, the process to be followed, the fee structure, etc.  Then I write up a memo describing what I understand to be our agreement, and send it to the client asking them to review and either agree or ask for changes.</p>
<p>Occasionally we will either make changes or clarify &#8211; and that&#8217;s fine.</p>
<p>Once we&#8217;re on the same page, I turn the memo into a short letter of agreement.  If the project is more than a couple of hundred dollars, I always break the fee into at least 2 parts, and ask for a portion of the fee &#8220;upon signing&#8221; of the letter of agreement.</p>
<p>As soon as that letter is signed, I&#8217;m &#8220;on the clock.&#8221;  (Unless I&#8217;m working for someone who I know well, and with whom I&#8217;m completely comfortable.  In that case, I still have a written agreement &#8211; but I might start working before the letter is signed and sealed).</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; quite agree that degrees are essentially irrelevant.  If you have a couple of published clips that relate to the client&#8217;s needs, you should be just fine.  </p>
<p>Also: have never found the &#8220;I need X amount so I&#8217;ll charge Y amount per hour&#8221; formula to work especially well in real life.  It&#8217;s like making a family budget: it sounds great, until the transmission blows out, or your mother gets sick and needs you to fly to Florida tomorrow.  Basically, I find that I work on projects that are available, at the best price I can negotiate.  If other, more lucrative projects come up at the same time, I just stay up later or get up earlier!</p>
<p>Lisa Rudy</p>
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