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	<title>Comments on: Let&#8217;s Brainstorm: How to Empower New Freelance Writers Not to Settle for Low Pay</title>
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		<title>By: Valueable gigs and valueless ads &#171; An Artful Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valueable gigs and valueless ads &#171; An Artful Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 03:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] drastic comparison to the above comes an ad that falls right in line with a post I read from FreelanceWritingGigs.com the other day about low pay writing gigs.  This &#8220;agency&#8221;  from Ontario, Canada is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] drastic comparison to the above comes an ad that falls right in line with a post I read from FreelanceWritingGigs.com the other day about low pay writing gigs.  This &#8220;agency&#8221;  from Ontario, Canada is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lamont Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lamont Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 01:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been searching the internet all day today looking for good freelance writing jobs with only my junk mail email address anf the trusty WOT security of firefox, and I haven&#039;t found those &quot;good paying&quot; freelance writing jobs yet. The best one I know of is Hibpages. Other than that, there are no freelance writing jobs that could help me that I know of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been searching the internet all day today looking for good freelance writing jobs with only my junk mail email address anf the trusty WOT security of firefox, and I haven&#8217;t found those &#8220;good paying&#8221; freelance writing jobs yet. The best one I know of is Hibpages. Other than that, there are no freelance writing jobs that could help me that I know of.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Woolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny Woolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we need to ask a hard question, too - are some of the people working for no or low pay, just as good as the people who are working for regular rates?  In a recession, markets will pay as little as they can. Why do the &quot;regulars&quot; have the right to expect to get high rates?

I&#039;m not saying they don&#039;t have the right - I&#039;m just asking.  My personal view is that most pros are better than most freebie merchants.  Markets who want to keep their readers know they can&#039;t let quality slide,and they&#039;ll try to pay as good rates as they can, even in a recession. 

But it&#039;s hard. Writers are under threat in all directions. I&#039;ve found myself returning to this threat more and more on my own blog, and I never planned that to happen.     
Jenny Woolf www.jabberwock.co.uk/blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we need to ask a hard question, too &#8211; are some of the people working for no or low pay, just as good as the people who are working for regular rates?  In a recession, markets will pay as little as they can. Why do the &#8220;regulars&#8221; have the right to expect to get high rates?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying they don&#8217;t have the right &#8211; I&#8217;m just asking.  My personal view is that most pros are better than most freebie merchants.  Markets who want to keep their readers know they can&#8217;t let quality slide,and they&#8217;ll try to pay as good rates as they can, even in a recession. </p>
<p>But it&#8217;s hard. Writers are under threat in all directions. I&#8217;ve found myself returning to this threat more and more on my own blog, and I never planned that to happen.<br />
Jenny Woolf <a href="http://www.jabberwock.co.uk/blog" rel="nofollow">http://www.jabberwock.co.uk/blog</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T: Ack! It&#039;s so easy for people to use a tool to check for plagiarism these days...why would anyone who was predisposed to doing something unethical like stealing someone else&#039;s clips and passing them off as their own even try to get away with it? I know, I know. I&#039;m being all naive. Just because I do the right thing doesn&#039;t mean that other people always do. Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T: Ack! It&#8217;s so easy for people to use a tool to check for plagiarism these days&#8230;why would anyone who was predisposed to doing something unethical like stealing someone else&#8217;s clips and passing them off as their own even try to get away with it? I know, I know. I&#8217;m being all naive. Just because I do the right thing doesn&#8217;t mean that other people always do. Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another comment @Lisa R:
That&#039;s so true. I&#039;ve had some editors disappear off the face of the earth. I&#039;ve been bugging a company for the past few weeks about writing some articles for them and they want me to write, but can&#039;t give me a concrete answer about my fee payment. It&#039;s very annoying. I told them I won&#039;t sign a contract until I get a confirmed fee from them (and supposedly they are willing to pay fairly well per article). 

Actually, some of my most consistent writing jobs haven&#039;t been well-established companies. I write a lot of SEO content for a woman who owns her own SEO marketing company and I&#039;m one of her outsourced writers. I adore her and we have a great rapport (and she pays me timely and she adds a bit extra to my fee when I can turn around projects quickly for her). I agree with Lisa R. Even though a company is well-established, that doesn&#039;t necessarily mean they&#039;ll pay or a lot or that they&#039;re on the ball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another comment @Lisa R:<br />
That&#8217;s so true. I&#8217;ve had some editors disappear off the face of the earth. I&#8217;ve been bugging a company for the past few weeks about writing some articles for them and they want me to write, but can&#8217;t give me a concrete answer about my fee payment. It&#8217;s very annoying. I told them I won&#8217;t sign a contract until I get a confirmed fee from them (and supposedly they are willing to pay fairly well per article). </p>
<p>Actually, some of my most consistent writing jobs haven&#8217;t been well-established companies. I write a lot of SEO content for a woman who owns her own SEO marketing company and I&#8217;m one of her outsourced writers. I adore her and we have a great rapport (and she pays me timely and she adds a bit extra to my fee when I can turn around projects quickly for her). I agree with Lisa R. Even though a company is well-established, that doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean they&#8217;ll pay or a lot or that they&#8217;re on the ball.</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jennifer L: That actually is standard these days with writing samples. There is a LOT of plagiarism and it&#039;s easy to rip off other people&#039;s writing online. I worked on a project last month and this guy got caught for plagiarizing on his first assignment and was fired. Actually, I bet if they went back and Copyscaped his writing samples, I would bet anything they were plagiarized samples. You&#039;d be surprised. Someone ripped off one of my yoga articles and found it on some random site and threatened the web hosting site with a lawsuit if they didn&#039;t take off my article (since someone had stolen it and was using it without my knowledge). They finally took it down, but there are some people who have no qualms (and zero ethics) and will swipe articles from other sites (even when they are copyrighted articles).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jennifer L: That actually is standard these days with writing samples. There is a LOT of plagiarism and it&#8217;s easy to rip off other people&#8217;s writing online. I worked on a project last month and this guy got caught for plagiarizing on his first assignment and was fired. Actually, I bet if they went back and Copyscaped his writing samples, I would bet anything they were plagiarized samples. You&#8217;d be surprised. Someone ripped off one of my yoga articles and found it on some random site and threatened the web hosting site with a lawsuit if they didn&#8217;t take off my article (since someone had stolen it and was using it without my knowledge). They finally took it down, but there are some people who have no qualms (and zero ethics) and will swipe articles from other sites (even when they are copyrighted articles).</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a good post and I agree that it comes down to education. However, I do agree with some of the others who mentioned that it comes down to your personal decision. Some people don&#039;t know better and some need to take what they can (due to this economy and trying to make some money). Some people don&#039;t have the luxury of turning down lower paying jobs. I&#039;m not a fan of lower paying gigs but I know there are some people who rely on these jobs (especially outside the U.S.)

As other people pointed out, a lot of these lower paying gigs are generated outside the U.S. (where their pay scale/minimum wage is a lot lower than the U.S.) There are a lot of third world countries (like India) who can live off these low pay writing scams.

I see these companies (especially outside the U.S.) as a big racket and don&#039;t even get me started on blogs/sites that are ripping off people with &quot;revenue sharing&quot; (a big joke). The Internet has both been a blessing and a curse when it comes to writing. 

Like I mentioned, it really comes down to education and sharing resources with other writers. I also highly suggest that writers read as much as they can about how to market themselves as writers. Read as much much as you can, and act like you&#039;re the CEO of your own company and act accordingly. You need to be proactive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a good post and I agree that it comes down to education. However, I do agree with some of the others who mentioned that it comes down to your personal decision. Some people don&#8217;t know better and some need to take what they can (due to this economy and trying to make some money). Some people don&#8217;t have the luxury of turning down lower paying jobs. I&#8217;m not a fan of lower paying gigs but I know there are some people who rely on these jobs (especially outside the U.S.)</p>
<p>As other people pointed out, a lot of these lower paying gigs are generated outside the U.S. (where their pay scale/minimum wage is a lot lower than the U.S.) There are a lot of third world countries (like India) who can live off these low pay writing scams.</p>
<p>I see these companies (especially outside the U.S.) as a big racket and don&#8217;t even get me started on blogs/sites that are ripping off people with &#8220;revenue sharing&#8221; (a big joke). The Internet has both been a blessing and a curse when it comes to writing. </p>
<p>Like I mentioned, it really comes down to education and sharing resources with other writers. I also highly suggest that writers read as much as they can about how to market themselves as writers. Read as much much as you can, and act like you&#8217;re the CEO of your own company and act accordingly. You need to be proactive.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deb - have you ever tried a syndication marketplace site (e.g. &lt;a href=&quot;http://thesyndicatednews.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Syndicated News&lt;/a&gt;, etc)?  Any idea of how much you can earn on a site like that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deb &#8211; have you ever tried a syndication marketplace site (e.g. <a href="http://thesyndicatednews.com" rel="nofollow">The Syndicated News</a>, etc)?  Any idea of how much you can earn on a site like that?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashley, 

If writing for enjoyment, one doesn&#039;t need pay. But most on this site (from my reading of comments) are supporting their families partially or in full. Pay level is a critical issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashley, </p>
<p>If writing for enjoyment, one doesn&#8217;t need pay. But most on this site (from my reading of comments) are supporting their families partially or in full. Pay level is a critical issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 05:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. I made a post here yesterday, and I don&#039;t think it got posted. It was pretty long too! Does this happen often?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. I made a post here yesterday, and I don&#8217;t think it got posted. It was pretty long too! Does this happen often?</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 04:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of us that are simply writing for the enjoyment of writing, why can&#039;t we take the lower paying jobs?  Sure I would love a great paying gig, but if I&#039;m given the opportunity to write about something I care about, well then money will not get in the way of that.

That being said, since I&#039;ve just begun to gain more writing experience I am quite comfortable with something that pays less.  Will I feel that way in a year or two?  Most likely not.  However, for the time being I am content with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of us that are simply writing for the enjoyment of writing, why can&#8217;t we take the lower paying jobs?  Sure I would love a great paying gig, but if I&#8217;m given the opportunity to write about something I care about, well then money will not get in the way of that.</p>
<p>That being said, since I&#8217;ve just begun to gain more writing experience I am quite comfortable with something that pays less.  Will I feel that way in a year or two?  Most likely not.  However, for the time being I am content with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Star</title>
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		<dc:creator>Star</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we are looking at this the wrong way. A 500-word essay stuffed with the same words over and over may not even BE writing. I know everyone will scream at me. But maybe a couple of bucks is a fine rate for that. If it&#039;s so easy to type that much--type!--for three bucks, actualy typing pays more! Maybe you don&#039;t need to think of it as writing. Maybe it&#039;s dollar-bill gathering or something. If you can&#039;t even make minimum wage, and it&#039;s pulling down the rates and definition of an age-old profession even entertaining these &quot;jobs,&quot; then think of the opportunity costs. You could be using that time to find a typing job, or get to know more business people in your community, or cold call. If you need samples, assign yourself something and write some. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s too impressive to say &quot;this story appeared on Blanky Website if people have never heard of it. Oh, well--that&#039;s my opinion. I have not commented on this site in years--but my suggestion is let&#039;s not cling to the old notions too hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we are looking at this the wrong way. A 500-word essay stuffed with the same words over and over may not even BE writing. I know everyone will scream at me. But maybe a couple of bucks is a fine rate for that. If it&#8217;s so easy to type that much&#8211;type!&#8211;for three bucks, actualy typing pays more! Maybe you don&#8217;t need to think of it as writing. Maybe it&#8217;s dollar-bill gathering or something. If you can&#8217;t even make minimum wage, and it&#8217;s pulling down the rates and definition of an age-old profession even entertaining these &#8220;jobs,&#8221; then think of the opportunity costs. You could be using that time to find a typing job, or get to know more business people in your community, or cold call. If you need samples, assign yourself something and write some. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s too impressive to say &#8220;this story appeared on Blanky Website if people have never heard of it. Oh, well&#8211;that&#8217;s my opinion. I have not commented on this site in years&#8211;but my suggestion is let&#8217;s not cling to the old notions too hard.</p>
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		<title>By: Peg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently tried out Mechanical Turk through Amazon. There are a lot of &quot;hits&quot; that require writing. Some of them pay ridiculously low amounts of money. One that I keep seeing (obviously no one has opted to do it) is to write a minimum 1000 word story of your first sexual experience, for which you will be paid: are you ready? Twenty cents. 

I wrote film reviews professionally, and get paid $60 for a short 100 word review. M-Turk seems to want to pay between 50 cents and $1 for similar length film reviews.

Most of the hits pay mere pennies; like 85 cents for three original recipes that require you to join a website to post them, etc. So you&#039;re not only getting paid shite, you&#039;re giving out your personal info. Some specialized skills are worth a few bucks. There is some opportunity to get noticed by the employers and get specialized assignments direct from them. But this is rare I understand.

I&#039;ve done a few of these, have made about 6 bucks, and am done. I also write an Examiner blog that I hope might lead to other writing opportunities, so I keep at it, and did make a nice little first month bonus. But there&#039;s not much money in it over the long haul as far as I can tell.

Thanks for reminding us all that quality work is worth real pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently tried out Mechanical Turk through Amazon. There are a lot of &#8220;hits&#8221; that require writing. Some of them pay ridiculously low amounts of money. One that I keep seeing (obviously no one has opted to do it) is to write a minimum 1000 word story of your first sexual experience, for which you will be paid: are you ready? Twenty cents. </p>
<p>I wrote film reviews professionally, and get paid $60 for a short 100 word review. M-Turk seems to want to pay between 50 cents and $1 for similar length film reviews.</p>
<p>Most of the hits pay mere pennies; like 85 cents for three original recipes that require you to join a website to post them, etc. So you&#8217;re not only getting paid shite, you&#8217;re giving out your personal info. Some specialized skills are worth a few bucks. There is some opportunity to get noticed by the employers and get specialized assignments direct from them. But this is rare I understand.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done a few of these, have made about 6 bucks, and am done. I also write an Examiner blog that I hope might lead to other writing opportunities, so I keep at it, and did make a nice little first month bonus. But there&#8217;s not much money in it over the long haul as far as I can tell.</p>
<p>Thanks for reminding us all that quality work is worth real pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;all, this is only sort of related, but I have to share...I read an ad today on a job board that asked for a 400-word original writing sample, and get this: they added, &quot;And we will be using a plagiarism tool to check.&quot; !!! Yeah, because don&#039;t we all usually apply for writing jobs using SOMEONE ELSE&#039;S WRITING SAMPLES as my clips!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;all, this is only sort of related, but I have to share&#8230;I read an ad today on a job board that asked for a 400-word original writing sample, and get this: they added, &#8220;And we will be using a plagiarism tool to check.&#8221; !!! Yeah, because don&#8217;t we all usually apply for writing jobs using SOMEONE ELSE&#8217;S WRITING SAMPLES as my clips!</p>
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		<title>By: Marc - WelshScribe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc - WelshScribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Maria Your focus determines your reality. You put in as much effort as needed to get what you want. If you want to get higher paying work then you&#039;re going to have to put in the hard work to find it, part of that hard work means giving up doing the low pay stuff.

As for rate calculators, sorry but you are just being obtuse now. They&#039;re just a tool, a means to an end. You can just as easily work out your minimum rate with pen and paper and your monthly bank statements.

When we are in dire straits we have several options available to us, one of which is taking low paying jobs. I&#039;m not saying that is an unjustifiable option but rather this article is about empowering freelancers not to settle for low pay.

Legislation is a good idea, but it&#039;s not practical until it gets implemented which could take how long exactly? Even then it&#039;s not a guaranteed thing.

In the meantime we need to be educated not on the simplistic things like &quot;there are better paying jobs out there&quot; or &quot;your skills are worth more than $5&quot; of course we all know that. We need to be taught what happens when we focus on those low paying jobs, or how to increase our chances of landing the better paying ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Maria Your focus determines your reality. You put in as much effort as needed to get what you want. If you want to get higher paying work then you&#8217;re going to have to put in the hard work to find it, part of that hard work means giving up doing the low pay stuff.</p>
<p>As for rate calculators, sorry but you are just being obtuse now. They&#8217;re just a tool, a means to an end. You can just as easily work out your minimum rate with pen and paper and your monthly bank statements.</p>
<p>When we are in dire straits we have several options available to us, one of which is taking low paying jobs. I&#8217;m not saying that is an unjustifiable option but rather this article is about empowering freelancers not to settle for low pay.</p>
<p>Legislation is a good idea, but it&#8217;s not practical until it gets implemented which could take how long exactly? Even then it&#8217;s not a guaranteed thing.</p>
<p>In the meantime we need to be educated not on the simplistic things like &#8220;there are better paying jobs out there&#8221; or &#8220;your skills are worth more than $5&#8243; of course we all know that. We need to be taught what happens when we focus on those low paying jobs, or how to increase our chances of landing the better paying ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think both Megan R. and James Chartrand make good, common sense points about not always-and especially not in the beginning-making the big bucks when it comes to freelance writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think both Megan R. and James Chartrand make good, common sense points about not always-and especially not in the beginning-making the big bucks when it comes to freelance writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiffany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that as long as there are other people in other countries that will write articles for $.01 or even less, people who hire freelance writers will come to expect that rate, not realizing that you get what you pay for. There is nothing you can do about that, as $2 for 500 words is good pay for those people.
The key is to branch out away from those type of jobs. If you are looking for jobs on sites such as odesk or GAF you aren&#039;t going to find $50 articles. But, just simple things like contacting one of your favorite websites or marketing your own freelance writing on your own website can help you branch out more in the market, rather than sticking around the low paying jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that as long as there are other people in other countries that will write articles for $.01 or even less, people who hire freelance writers will come to expect that rate, not realizing that you get what you pay for. There is nothing you can do about that, as $2 for 500 words is good pay for those people.<br />
The key is to branch out away from those type of jobs. If you are looking for jobs on sites such as odesk or GAF you aren&#8217;t going to find $50 articles. But, just simple things like contacting one of your favorite websites or marketing your own freelance writing on your own website can help you branch out more in the market, rather than sticking around the low paying jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joy, I got that same email recently. I snorted, then hit &quot;delete.&quot; No thanks. 

This has been a great discussion, y&#039;all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joy, I got that same email recently. I snorted, then hit &#8220;delete.&#8221; No thanks. </p>
<p>This has been a great discussion, y&#8217;all.</p>
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		<title>By: Arlyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arlyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this wonderful forum, fellow freelance writers are beginning to address my concerns about this dirt-cheap pay.

Sometime ago, writers from the entertainment industry staged a crippling strike. These are the movie scriptwriters, television show writers and stagehands.

They banded together and got a better-paying deal. I&#039;m sure there were those who personally and financially suffered during the strike. 

But with grit and determination, they forgot their personal inconveniences and aimed for the common good.

The result was that they got what they believe is fairly due to them.

Now, I&#039;m not advocating that we freelance writers stage. Nope. ( Though I admit I once entertained the idea!)

We will just have to ask ourselves this question: &quot; Am I part of the problem or part of the solution?&quot;

Thanks everybody!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this wonderful forum, fellow freelance writers are beginning to address my concerns about this dirt-cheap pay.</p>
<p>Sometime ago, writers from the entertainment industry staged a crippling strike. These are the movie scriptwriters, television show writers and stagehands.</p>
<p>They banded together and got a better-paying deal. I&#8217;m sure there were those who personally and financially suffered during the strike. </p>
<p>But with grit and determination, they forgot their personal inconveniences and aimed for the common good.</p>
<p>The result was that they got what they believe is fairly due to them.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m not advocating that we freelance writers stage. Nope. ( Though I admit I once entertained the idea!)</p>
<p>We will just have to ask ourselves this question: &#8221; Am I part of the problem or part of the solution?&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks everybody!</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this won&#039;t be a popular point to make in a den of writers, but as someone who earns a living fixing other people&#039;s writing, I&#039;m going to make it. There are good writers and bad writers, just as there are good/bad lawyers, dentists, cops, cooks, waiters, etc., etc. 

In this field, and in most creative fields, our earnings ideally should be reflective of the quality and creativity of the work. Maybe there are writers out there whose work is only deserving of $5/article or $0.01/word. In that case, the client&#039;s publication (whatever it may be) will also be reflective of the low rate they charged and the low quality of writer that rate attracted. It&#039;s kind of the natural order of things. Or: You get what you pay for. 

If you know you deserve high pay, then demand it or move on to the next prospect. Don&#039;t slum it with the writers (or bloggers or editors) on the lower end of the spectrum. You&#039;ll just drag yourself down to their level. 

That being said, I (a freelance copyeditor, primarily) have found myself in situations (usually thanks to bloody offshoring) where I&#039;m in desperate need of work. So while I ordinarily edit for around $3/page, I&#039;ll take some proofreading work for $1/page. But believe me, that work is not getting my complete attention. Nobody wins in these situations, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this won&#8217;t be a popular point to make in a den of writers, but as someone who earns a living fixing other people&#8217;s writing, I&#8217;m going to make it. There are good writers and bad writers, just as there are good/bad lawyers, dentists, cops, cooks, waiters, etc., etc. </p>
<p>In this field, and in most creative fields, our earnings ideally should be reflective of the quality and creativity of the work. Maybe there are writers out there whose work is only deserving of $5/article or $0.01/word. In that case, the client&#8217;s publication (whatever it may be) will also be reflective of the low rate they charged and the low quality of writer that rate attracted. It&#8217;s kind of the natural order of things. Or: You get what you pay for. </p>
<p>If you know you deserve high pay, then demand it or move on to the next prospect. Don&#8217;t slum it with the writers (or bloggers or editors) on the lower end of the spectrum. You&#8217;ll just drag yourself down to their level. </p>
<p>That being said, I (a freelance copyeditor, primarily) have found myself in situations (usually thanks to bloody offshoring) where I&#8217;m in desperate need of work. So while I ordinarily edit for around $3/page, I&#8217;ll take some proofreading work for $1/page. But believe me, that work is not getting my complete attention. Nobody wins in these situations, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Trevelyan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Trevelyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike:

I research the publications I&#039;d like to pitch. I read them--I find actual hard copies, by browsing them in a store, scoping out thrift stores (they sell old mags for about a quarter), and also reading the online articles.

Then I specifically check out their guidelines page--almost every publication has a website with the guidelines; sometimes they&#039;re hard to find, but they&#039;re often in the FAQs page, under Contact Us, or right under Guidelines. Then I follow their specific guidelines to the letter. I find the correct editor to pitch, I make sure I spell their name correctly, all that. Most places take email pitches these days, and I personally won&#039;t bother with a snail mail pitch (um, I&#039;m too lazy? lol).

Never call! Most mags have a very clear Do Not Call Us message. I&#039;d never call unless invited to do so. It&#039;s all email, all the time (well, it&#039;s whatever their guidelines say to do).

I pitch a very specific idea. I research their needs, I think up a story that will hopefully fit those needs, and I pitch that story. I attach clips (actually, a link to my site) only if asked.

I don&#039;t tell them my pay rate--mags tell me theirs, and I&#039;m only pitching if I like the rate and, honestly, only if I think my idea will fly. Do I want to be published in National Geographic Adventure? Heck yeah. But am I going to start by pitching to Ye Local Small Outdoor Periodical to build my clips? Yep. After I have better clips, I&#039;ll pitch to Adventure.

That said, my first three paid articles were actually cover stories, for an independent rag (the Salt Lake City Weekly; most big towns have such papers). I pitched a number of ideas, the editor picked the ones he liked, and he very kindly offered me great editorial advice as I stumbled my way through. Those article pitches were accepted because I had ideas he wanted. I gave him ideas he wanted because I studied his publication and knew what to pitch. Do the homework. :)

Entertainment Weekly is a pretty big mag. But if you have the goods or an angle on a story that NO ONE ELSE has, your pitch might work. In general, though, it&#039;s better to start smaller and work up. The $4/word and up markets are mostly open to the big players who&#039;ve already earned their stripes.

Hope that helps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike:</p>
<p>I research the publications I&#8217;d like to pitch. I read them&#8211;I find actual hard copies, by browsing them in a store, scoping out thrift stores (they sell old mags for about a quarter), and also reading the online articles.</p>
<p>Then I specifically check out their guidelines page&#8211;almost every publication has a website with the guidelines; sometimes they&#8217;re hard to find, but they&#8217;re often in the FAQs page, under Contact Us, or right under Guidelines. Then I follow their specific guidelines to the letter. I find the correct editor to pitch, I make sure I spell their name correctly, all that. Most places take email pitches these days, and I personally won&#8217;t bother with a snail mail pitch (um, I&#8217;m too lazy? lol).</p>
<p>Never call! Most mags have a very clear Do Not Call Us message. I&#8217;d never call unless invited to do so. It&#8217;s all email, all the time (well, it&#8217;s whatever their guidelines say to do).</p>
<p>I pitch a very specific idea. I research their needs, I think up a story that will hopefully fit those needs, and I pitch that story. I attach clips (actually, a link to my site) only if asked.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t tell them my pay rate&#8211;mags tell me theirs, and I&#8217;m only pitching if I like the rate and, honestly, only if I think my idea will fly. Do I want to be published in National Geographic Adventure? Heck yeah. But am I going to start by pitching to Ye Local Small Outdoor Periodical to build my clips? Yep. After I have better clips, I&#8217;ll pitch to Adventure.</p>
<p>That said, my first three paid articles were actually cover stories, for an independent rag (the Salt Lake City Weekly; most big towns have such papers). I pitched a number of ideas, the editor picked the ones he liked, and he very kindly offered me great editorial advice as I stumbled my way through. Those article pitches were accepted because I had ideas he wanted. I gave him ideas he wanted because I studied his publication and knew what to pitch. Do the homework. <img src='http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Entertainment Weekly is a pretty big mag. But if you have the goods or an angle on a story that NO ONE ELSE has, your pitch might work. In general, though, it&#8217;s better to start smaller and work up. The $4/word and up markets are mostly open to the big players who&#8217;ve already earned their stripes.</p>
<p>Hope that helps!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Julie...

Thanks for the response.  You mention that you pitch directly to magazines.  I&#039;m curious--how do you do this?  Meaning, how are you finding a phone number or email address to do your pitch?  And who are you specifically calling?  A supervisor?  An editor? 

Secondly, even if you or anyone is an excellent writer, the people that you are cold calling don&#039;t know you.  So, what would make them field your call on a busy day for them?  Why would they listen to you when they don&#039;t know you?  Even if they are looking for writers, I&#039;d have to imagine that if you are calling them for an opportunity, others are too.  So what would make them listen to a stranger?

Thirdly, if you&#039;re fortunate to get someone from a magazine to respond to your email or phone call, are you literally pitching them ideas for their next issue, or are you merely stating that you can provide them with samples of your work, a resume, a pay rate, and if they&#039;re interested, then they can get back in contact with you?  

Lastly, you say that you contact the magazines directly--are these popular magazines?  Start-up magazines?  I ask this question because--using me as an example--I&#039;m interested in entertainment writing.  Would I in turn cold call &quot;Entertainment Weekly,&quot; or is that considered too &quot;big&quot; of a magazine to contact?  If not, would I contact a smaller entertainment publication?  I&#039;m curious to know who you attempt to target when calling magazines.

Thanks!

-Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Julie&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for the response.  You mention that you pitch directly to magazines.  I&#8217;m curious&#8211;how do you do this?  Meaning, how are you finding a phone number or email address to do your pitch?  And who are you specifically calling?  A supervisor?  An editor? </p>
<p>Secondly, even if you or anyone is an excellent writer, the people that you are cold calling don&#8217;t know you.  So, what would make them field your call on a busy day for them?  Why would they listen to you when they don&#8217;t know you?  Even if they are looking for writers, I&#8217;d have to imagine that if you are calling them for an opportunity, others are too.  So what would make them listen to a stranger?</p>
<p>Thirdly, if you&#8217;re fortunate to get someone from a magazine to respond to your email or phone call, are you literally pitching them ideas for their next issue, or are you merely stating that you can provide them with samples of your work, a resume, a pay rate, and if they&#8217;re interested, then they can get back in contact with you?  </p>
<p>Lastly, you say that you contact the magazines directly&#8211;are these popular magazines?  Start-up magazines?  I ask this question because&#8211;using me as an example&#8211;I&#8217;m interested in entertainment writing.  Would I in turn cold call &#8220;Entertainment Weekly,&#8221; or is that considered too &#8220;big&#8221; of a magazine to contact?  If not, would I contact a smaller entertainment publication?  I&#8217;m curious to know who you attempt to target when calling magazines.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>-Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gathering points from many of you - it&#039;s difficult to make a rule for &quot;all freelance writers&quot; because that can be so many different things.  A person needs to sit down and think about their goals.

If the goal is to make money writing because you love it, need to stay work at home, just need cash pretty quick - then go ahead and pick up as many of those low paying jobs as you can turn out in a week. In the end, $50 will buy groceries and if that&#039;s your concern then go for it.  You&#039;ll be overworked and bored out of your mind but you&#039;ll have food on the table. (I&#039;m not saying take a 1200 word article for 1.00 - but 1.00 for a blog post - why not?)

If the goal is to become a pro writer with a resume you&#039;re proud of - then forget writing for the SEO hawkers and the revenue sharing spots. Hone in on your specialty and write for FREE for a magazine or website that will get you noticed or at least a decent clip. 

My first project was a TV book where I got paid nothing - stiffed for the job. But I had a published book with my name on it - which I took to another publisher and said, see, here&#039;s proof I can write and be published. Buy my next book and they did. 

100 keyword articles on pets won&#039;t get you that job writing for People magazine. Get your priorities straight.

Finally, I must make my &#039;for the love of&#039; pitch.  I&#039;m an entertainment junkie, so there are low to no pay jobs that pay me in perks such as interviews with great people, free DVDs, swag, etc. No, that doesn&#039;t pay the rent, but at the end of the day, it makes me feel good and that&#039;s more than a lot of people can say about their jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gathering points from many of you &#8211; it&#8217;s difficult to make a rule for &#8220;all freelance writers&#8221; because that can be so many different things.  A person needs to sit down and think about their goals.</p>
<p>If the goal is to make money writing because you love it, need to stay work at home, just need cash pretty quick &#8211; then go ahead and pick up as many of those low paying jobs as you can turn out in a week. In the end, $50 will buy groceries and if that&#8217;s your concern then go for it.  You&#8217;ll be overworked and bored out of your mind but you&#8217;ll have food on the table. (I&#8217;m not saying take a 1200 word article for 1.00 &#8211; but 1.00 for a blog post &#8211; why not?)</p>
<p>If the goal is to become a pro writer with a resume you&#8217;re proud of &#8211; then forget writing for the SEO hawkers and the revenue sharing spots. Hone in on your specialty and write for FREE for a magazine or website that will get you noticed or at least a decent clip. </p>
<p>My first project was a TV book where I got paid nothing &#8211; stiffed for the job. But I had a published book with my name on it &#8211; which I took to another publisher and said, see, here&#8217;s proof I can write and be published. Buy my next book and they did. </p>
<p>100 keyword articles on pets won&#8217;t get you that job writing for People magazine. Get your priorities straight.</p>
<p>Finally, I must make my &#8216;for the love of&#8217; pitch.  I&#8217;m an entertainment junkie, so there are low to no pay jobs that pay me in perks such as interviews with great people, free DVDs, swag, etc. No, that doesn&#8217;t pay the rent, but at the end of the day, it makes me feel good and that&#8217;s more than a lot of people can say about their jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Maria - Thanks. We&#039;re thankful he still has a job. Many of his co-workers were not so lucky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Maria &#8211; Thanks. We&#8217;re thankful he still has a job. Many of his co-workers were not so lucky.</p>
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		<title>By: James Chartrand - Men with Pens</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Chartrand - Men with Pens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Maria - 

You wrote: &quot;Give writers enough credit to know that a penny word is far less than they should expect.&quot;

No disrespect meant, but way, WAY back when I started, I worked at gigs that paid $2 for 500 words. I believe that comes out to $0.004 a word. 

At the time I began, that was all I could find, because I had never written for pay, didn&#039;t know where to look, didn&#039;t know what to do and didn&#039;t know I &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; expect more.  I didn&#039;t know what a blog was, didn&#039;t know where to look, didn&#039;t know who to believe and needed the money. Badly.

I am definitely, DEFINITELY not alone, even today. People who know that their labor is worth more are plentiful. People who know that they should &lt;em&gt;expect&lt;/em&gt; more are rare.

Imagine that you&#039;ve never written for pay, and you have no one to guide you. You have no clue what to expect at all. None. 

It&#039;s important that none of us here forget that this situation happens every day to hundreds of people who have just come online thinking, &quot;I wonder if I can get paid to write...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Maria &#8211; </p>
<p>You wrote: &#8220;Give writers enough credit to know that a penny word is far less than they should expect.&#8221;</p>
<p>No disrespect meant, but way, WAY back when I started, I worked at gigs that paid $2 for 500 words. I believe that comes out to $0.004 a word. </p>
<p>At the time I began, that was all I could find, because I had never written for pay, didn&#8217;t know where to look, didn&#8217;t know what to do and didn&#8217;t know I <em>should</em> expect more.  I didn&#8217;t know what a blog was, didn&#8217;t know where to look, didn&#8217;t know who to believe and needed the money. Badly.</p>
<p>I am definitely, DEFINITELY not alone, even today. People who know that their labor is worth more are plentiful. People who know that they should <em>expect</em> more are rare.</p>
<p>Imagine that you&#8217;ve never written for pay, and you have no one to guide you. You have no clue what to expect at all. None. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s important that none of us here forget that this situation happens every day to hundreds of people who have just come online thinking, &#8220;I wonder if I can get paid to write&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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