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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article! Points 9 and 10 hit home for me. I work from home at my kitchen table, with a view of the lake we live on. I write in a field I truly love, enjoy, and know with over 15 years of experience in the field, a B.S. degree and graduate coursework. Yes, I am a pro in my field. To have this opportunity is incredible to me. That&#039;s not to say that I won&#039;t strive for higher goals. I certainly am doing so. However, a regular check to pay the bills in the meantime so I can work from the lake office, is worth my time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! Points 9 and 10 hit home for me. I work from home at my kitchen table, with a view of the lake we live on. I write in a field I truly love, enjoy, and know with over 15 years of experience in the field, a B.S. degree and graduate coursework. Yes, I am a pro in my field. To have this opportunity is incredible to me. That&#8217;s not to say that I won&#8217;t strive for higher goals. I certainly am doing so. However, a regular check to pay the bills in the meantime so I can work from the lake office, is worth my time.</p>
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		<title>By: LIsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>LIsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Deb -- I kinda knew the type of material included in each sort of site, but was wondering whether &quot;web content&quot; is a catch-all phrase meaning &quot;words included on any website under any circumstances&quot; while &quot;content site&quot; means something entirely different.

While the payment is different, I don&#039;t personally see a huge difference between, say, my work for Tonic.com (I&#039;m paid a monthly fee to blog regularly about science topics) and my work for Examiner.com (I&#039;m paid a residual fee to blog about education) and my work for About.com (I&#039;m paid a flat fee plus incentive to write and blog about autism).  

In all three cases I&#039;m writing &quot;content&quot; on a regular basis for a site that collects blogs/articles, uses SEO/web 2.0 as a marketing tool, and pays me as a freelancer.  My guess is that, on an hourly basis, Tonic.com is the best fee -- yet About.com is by far the best exposure, and Examiner.com offers the most writerly freedom.

Meanwhile, I&#039;m negotiating with a corporate client who&#039;s interested in having me write a blog on green issues to help position her business as &quot;green.&quot;  I&#039;ll probably be paid a per-blog-post fee in that case.  Her site isn&#039;t a &quot;content site,&quot; but won&#039;t I be writing &quot;web content?&quot;

You see so many ads asking for &quot;web content;&quot; just trying to wrap my brain around what that really means!

Lisa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Deb &#8212; I kinda knew the type of material included in each sort of site, but was wondering whether &#8220;web content&#8221; is a catch-all phrase meaning &#8220;words included on any website under any circumstances&#8221; while &#8220;content site&#8221; means something entirely different.</p>
<p>While the payment is different, I don&#8217;t personally see a huge difference between, say, my work for Tonic.com (I&#8217;m paid a monthly fee to blog regularly about science topics) and my work for Examiner.com (I&#8217;m paid a residual fee to blog about education) and my work for About.com (I&#8217;m paid a flat fee plus incentive to write and blog about autism).  </p>
<p>In all three cases I&#8217;m writing &#8220;content&#8221; on a regular basis for a site that collects blogs/articles, uses SEO/web 2.0 as a marketing tool, and pays me as a freelancer.  My guess is that, on an hourly basis, Tonic.com is the best fee &#8212; yet About.com is by far the best exposure, and Examiner.com offers the most writerly freedom.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I&#8217;m negotiating with a corporate client who&#8217;s interested in having me write a blog on green issues to help position her business as &#8220;green.&#8221;  I&#8217;ll probably be paid a per-blog-post fee in that case.  Her site isn&#8217;t a &#8220;content site,&#8221; but won&#8217;t I be writing &#8220;web content?&#8221;</p>
<p>You see so many ads asking for &#8220;web content;&#8221; just trying to wrap my brain around what that really means!</p>
<p>Lisa</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jennifer, I like to think of myself as a hybrid as well. I&#039;ve dabbled in both and, compared to many members of this community, I&#039;m pretty darn old.

Thanks for stopping by and offering your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jennifer, I like to think of myself as a hybrid as well. I&#8217;ve dabbled in both and, compared to many members of this community, I&#8217;m pretty darn old.</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by and offering your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lisa,

Sorry for the late response - I wasn&#039;t around over the weekend.


Some sites like Suite101, b5Media, About.com and Examiner are the equivelent of a blog or online column. Users are chosen for their expertise in a particular topic and they write about that topic as often as directed (in their contract) and receive either a flat fee or residual payments based on traffic.

For sites like Wisegeek, Demand Studios and LoveToKnow, writers choose from a pool of available titles and write articles around those titles based on the website&#039;s guidelines. They&#039;re generally paid per post.

Corporate sites hire writers to create content for two reasons - the first is to bring in search engine traffic and the second is to create interest in their product or brand.

For a site like CNN, they hire journalists much in the same way a newspaper hires journalists. 

I hope that helps?

Deb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lisa,</p>
<p>Sorry for the late response &#8211; I wasn&#8217;t around over the weekend.</p>
<p>Some sites like Suite101, b5Media, About.com and Examiner are the equivelent of a blog or online column. Users are chosen for their expertise in a particular topic and they write about that topic as often as directed (in their contract) and receive either a flat fee or residual payments based on traffic.</p>
<p>For sites like Wisegeek, Demand Studios and LoveToKnow, writers choose from a pool of available titles and write articles around those titles based on the website&#8217;s guidelines. They&#8217;re generally paid per post.</p>
<p>Corporate sites hire writers to create content for two reasons &#8211; the first is to bring in search engine traffic and the second is to create interest in their product or brand.</p>
<p>For a site like CNN, they hire journalists much in the same way a newspaper hires journalists. </p>
<p>I hope that helps?</p>
<p>Deb</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something I&#039;d like to add since writing this post and reading other blogs posts (in response) from all over the web is that I&#039;m not saying everyone now has to write for content sites or this is your only choice. I&#039;m not saying we should all start accepting lower pay. I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s and &quot;old school vs new school situation&quot;. I&#039;m simply saying that content sites are here to stay. We can fight them, or we can find ways to make the most of them, and find the best opportunities. These opportunities aren&#039;t for everyone and I&#039;m not saying they are. However, I would be doing a disservice to the FWJ community if I wasn&#039;t honest about the types of writing many of them choose to take on.

 My recommendation has always been to use  content sites as a springboard to better opportunities, or to use them to supplement the income. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s my way or the highway and I don&#039;t think everyone needs to suck it up and write for content sites. I don&#039;t even think writers should write for content sites forever.

My point is to have an open mind and realize times have changed. When I started in publishing (20 years ago, heh) there was outrage over the writers who wrote for free or a byline to gain experience. I make the same comparisons to content sites today.

Anyway, I don&#039;t know what else I can say about this that hasn&#039;t already been said. Use content sites, don&#039;t use them, it&#039;s all about choices. Do what&#039;s best for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something I&#8217;d like to add since writing this post and reading other blogs posts (in response) from all over the web is that I&#8217;m not saying everyone now has to write for content sites or this is your only choice. I&#8217;m not saying we should all start accepting lower pay. I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s and &#8220;old school vs new school situation&#8221;. I&#8217;m simply saying that content sites are here to stay. We can fight them, or we can find ways to make the most of them, and find the best opportunities. These opportunities aren&#8217;t for everyone and I&#8217;m not saying they are. However, I would be doing a disservice to the FWJ community if I wasn&#8217;t honest about the types of writing many of them choose to take on.</p>
<p> My recommendation has always been to use  content sites as a springboard to better opportunities, or to use them to supplement the income. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s my way or the highway and I don&#8217;t think everyone needs to suck it up and write for content sites. I don&#8217;t even think writers should write for content sites forever.</p>
<p>My point is to have an open mind and realize times have changed. When I started in publishing (20 years ago, heh) there was outrage over the writers who wrote for free or a byline to gain experience. I make the same comparisons to content sites today.</p>
<p>Anyway, I don&#8217;t know what else I can say about this that hasn&#8217;t already been said. Use content sites, don&#8217;t use them, it&#8217;s all about choices. Do what&#8217;s best for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Understanding the Freelance Writing Market &#124; Business Tips for Writers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Understanding the Freelance Writing Market &#124; Business Tips for Writers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a Comment    There have been some amazing discussions lately going on right here at FWJ about writing at content sites, and about other aspects of the freelance writing market. They have to do  with working for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a Comment    There have been some amazing discussions lately going on right here at FWJ about writing at content sites, and about other aspects of the freelance writing market. They have to do  with working for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo, you lost all credibility when you began looking for free writers for your blog.

Yo Prinzel, pay the writer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo, you lost all credibility when you began looking for free writers for your blog.</p>
<p>Yo Prinzel, pay the writer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m a hybrid of an old-schooler and a (hmmm, what would the term be? a new-schooler?) and (okay, why not) a new-schooler. I was a professional journalist for years, but I&#039;ve also done some writing for the Web, too. 

I say, do whatever works for you, as long as it does work for you. Personally, I am more gratified and typically better paid (although not always) for writing traditional by-lined articles for various publications. Is that all that I do? No. Am I open to new things? Sure. But part of why I became a writer to begin with is so that I could tell other people&#039;s stories. Yeah, yeah, it&#039;s sappy, I know. I just find a lot more personal satisfaction in writing that allows me to do that, so that&#039;s what I seek out. But I am not going to criticize someone who finds that writing short SEO articles for, say, Demand Studios or some other client, works out best for them. After all, I wouldn&#039;t want that person to tell me that I shouldn&#039;t pursue what I want to do, would I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m a hybrid of an old-schooler and a (hmmm, what would the term be? a new-schooler?) and (okay, why not) a new-schooler. I was a professional journalist for years, but I&#8217;ve also done some writing for the Web, too. </p>
<p>I say, do whatever works for you, as long as it does work for you. Personally, I am more gratified and typically better paid (although not always) for writing traditional by-lined articles for various publications. Is that all that I do? No. Am I open to new things? Sure. But part of why I became a writer to begin with is so that I could tell other people&#8217;s stories. Yeah, yeah, it&#8217;s sappy, I know. I just find a lot more personal satisfaction in writing that allows me to do that, so that&#8217;s what I seek out. But I am not going to criticize someone who finds that writing short SEO articles for, say, Demand Studios or some other client, works out best for them. After all, I wouldn&#8217;t want that person to tell me that I shouldn&#8217;t pursue what I want to do, would I?</p>
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		<title>By: LIsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>LIsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a marginally related note -- what, exactly, is the difference between --

1.  content for a &quot;content site&quot; (Helium, Examiner, Suite 101)
2.  content for site like About.com which pays differently/expects more
3.  content for a corporate site (marketing material etc for the web)
4.  content in the form of articles for a news/feature site (CNN.com)
5.  content in the form of a personal blog that&#039;s monetized (eg Deb&#039;s blog here)
6.  plain ordinary writing of whatever sort that winds up on the web
7.  writing for big sites like Huffington Post

Are these all &quot;content?&quot; And can the term &quot;content&quot; refer to what&#039;s in a book, magazine or newspaper -- or is it a web-only term?

Lisa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a marginally related note &#8212; what, exactly, is the difference between &#8211;</p>
<p>1.  content for a &#8220;content site&#8221; (Helium, Examiner, Suite 101)<br />
2.  content for site like About.com which pays differently/expects more<br />
3.  content for a corporate site (marketing material etc for the web)<br />
4.  content in the form of articles for a news/feature site (CNN.com)<br />
5.  content in the form of a personal blog that&#8217;s monetized (eg Deb&#8217;s blog here)<br />
6.  plain ordinary writing of whatever sort that winds up on the web<br />
7.  writing for big sites like Huffington Post</p>
<p>Are these all &#8220;content?&#8221; And can the term &#8220;content&#8221; refer to what&#8217;s in a book, magazine or newspaper &#8212; or is it a web-only term?</p>
<p>Lisa</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Karen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Karen.</p>
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