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		<title>By: KK Rousseau</title>
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		<dc:creator>KK Rousseau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 05:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I found your articles whilst researching grant writing to see if it is something I would enjoy. I am getting more and more confused over the terms used. I understand that a grant is a gift of money, goods, or services usually to a socially beneficial organization. Have I got that right?

I might want to &quot;write a grant&quot; to get the &quot;grant money.&quot; This is a bit confusing but I vaguely understand it. I seems like some kind of loose usage where one word is used to describe two separate things that are related.

Then, just when I thought I was making progress, Alena (above) wrote that &quot;Most grants want more tables, charts, graphics, flow ideas, etc, than they want written promises.&quot; This makes me aware that I am still completely in the dark. 

Is a grant something that is given and, if so, how is it that someone who wishes to receive that something also somehow &quot;writes a grant?&quot; How can a grant want anything and is it the gift or the request for the gift that wants?

I have a doctorate so I am usually not such a nitwit. Please, if you can, elucidate me and correct the error I must be making while trying to figure out this grant business.

Thank you kindly.

KKR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I found your articles whilst researching grant writing to see if it is something I would enjoy. I am getting more and more confused over the terms used. I understand that a grant is a gift of money, goods, or services usually to a socially beneficial organization. Have I got that right?</p>
<p>I might want to &#8220;write a grant&#8221; to get the &#8220;grant money.&#8221; This is a bit confusing but I vaguely understand it. I seems like some kind of loose usage where one word is used to describe two separate things that are related.</p>
<p>Then, just when I thought I was making progress, Alena (above) wrote that &#8220;Most grants want more tables, charts, graphics, flow ideas, etc, than they want written promises.&#8221; This makes me aware that I am still completely in the dark. </p>
<p>Is a grant something that is given and, if so, how is it that someone who wishes to receive that something also somehow &#8220;writes a grant?&#8221; How can a grant want anything and is it the gift or the request for the gift that wants?</p>
<p>I have a doctorate so I am usually not such a nitwit. Please, if you can, elucidate me and correct the error I must be making while trying to figure out this grant business.</p>
<p>Thank you kindly.</p>
<p>KKR</p>
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		<title>By: lavhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>lavhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I am one of those broke people who needs a grant writer for a project.  Does anyone have any suggestions?  Someone told me that I can find people willing to do it for free on craigslist.  Are these people looking for experience?  Perhaps people just finishing a class or school.  Are there any other options</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I am one of those broke people who needs a grant writer for a project.  Does anyone have any suggestions?  Someone told me that I can find people willing to do it for free on craigslist.  Are these people looking for experience?  Perhaps people just finishing a class or school.  Are there any other options</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad you addressed this topic.  I can&#039;t tell you how many times people&#039;s eyes light up when I tell them I&#039;m an experienced development/grantwriting professional only to have them follow up with, &quot;do you write on commission?&quot;
These same folks seem completely taken aback that I won&#039;t consider a commission structure.  

It&#039;s absurd to me that an organization will expect a professional to take on the critical role of finding money on commission. Why would you commit something as vital as fund procurement to such a haphazard process? Without money there is no mission, no matter how &quot;worthy&quot; the cause. 

I feel limited working the traditional 40-hours at an agency.  I want to work from home doing proposals as a full-time gig.  Are there any suggestions you may have regarding self-marketing and getting past the &quot;lookie-lews&quot;? I&#039;m struggling to get past the &quot;commission only&quot; or &quot;work on spec&quot; mindset that seems to permeate nonprofits in my area.  I&#039;m a trained professional with a solid track record, not a volunteer.  

I like E. Peevie&#039;s recommendation to forward prospective clients to the AFP ethics statements.  Still, it&#039;s a tough sale. 

Can you, or fellow proposal writers, comment on the following:

**How long did it take you to reach a break-even (I-think-I&#039;ll-make-it-at-this) point in your venture as a proposal writer?

**How do you sell out-of-state prospects that are hesitant about not having a local writer? 

**Does anyone have insights about writing RFP&#039;s for corporate clients?  

Thanks for the article, Lisa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad you addressed this topic.  I can&#8217;t tell you how many times people&#8217;s eyes light up when I tell them I&#8217;m an experienced development/grantwriting professional only to have them follow up with, &#8220;do you write on commission?&#8221;<br />
These same folks seem completely taken aback that I won&#8217;t consider a commission structure.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s absurd to me that an organization will expect a professional to take on the critical role of finding money on commission. Why would you commit something as vital as fund procurement to such a haphazard process? Without money there is no mission, no matter how &#8220;worthy&#8221; the cause. </p>
<p>I feel limited working the traditional 40-hours at an agency.  I want to work from home doing proposals as a full-time gig.  Are there any suggestions you may have regarding self-marketing and getting past the &#8220;lookie-lews&#8221;? I&#8217;m struggling to get past the &#8220;commission only&#8221; or &#8220;work on spec&#8221; mindset that seems to permeate nonprofits in my area.  I&#8217;m a trained professional with a solid track record, not a volunteer.  </p>
<p>I like E. Peevie&#8217;s recommendation to forward prospective clients to the AFP ethics statements.  Still, it&#8217;s a tough sale. </p>
<p>Can you, or fellow proposal writers, comment on the following:</p>
<p>**How long did it take you to reach a break-even (I-think-I&#8217;ll-make-it-at-this) point in your venture as a proposal writer?</p>
<p>**How do you sell out-of-state prospects that are hesitant about not having a local writer? </p>
<p>**Does anyone have insights about writing RFP&#8217;s for corporate clients?  </p>
<p>Thanks for the article, Lisa</p>
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		<title>By: E. Peevie</title>
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		<dc:creator>E. Peevie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve gotten more requests for commission-based fundraising in the last year than I got in 10 prior years put together.  Sign of the times, I guess.

I always tell them no thanks, and I link them to the ethics statement of the AFP (Association of Fundraising Professionals).

However:  I believe some government funding sources allow applicants to build the cost of grantwriting into the budget.  I have not encountered this myself, but I&#039;ve talked to a couple of people who have written proposals with this unusual non-standard standard.  

I still don&#039;t think it&#039;s a good idea, though--for all the reasons you mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve gotten more requests for commission-based fundraising in the last year than I got in 10 prior years put together.  Sign of the times, I guess.</p>
<p>I always tell them no thanks, and I link them to the ethics statement of the AFP (Association of Fundraising Professionals).</p>
<p>However:  I believe some government funding sources allow applicants to build the cost of grantwriting into the budget.  I have not encountered this myself, but I&#8217;ve talked to a couple of people who have written proposals with this unusual non-standard standard.  </p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a good idea, though&#8211;for all the reasons you mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Tania Mara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tania Mara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa, many thanks for this post! I&#039;m sure this will spare many writers from falling into the commission trap. I also like it that you&#039;ve paid attention to the ethics (or lack thereof) of taking money that isn&#039;t really meant to pay grant writers.

Now I&#039;m looking forward to the next part of this series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, many thanks for this post! I&#8217;m sure this will spare many writers from falling into the commission trap. I also like it that you&#8217;ve paid attention to the ethics (or lack thereof) of taking money that isn&#8217;t really meant to pay grant writers.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m looking forward to the next part of this series.</p>
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		<title>By: Skippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you recommend any grant writing courses? When I google &quot;grant writing courses&quot; I get a pretty big chunk of confusion. Does it matter if the course offers some kind of certification? Is there any company/school that would help on a resume if a person is just starting out? Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you recommend any grant writing courses? When I google &#8220;grant writing courses&#8221; I get a pretty big chunk of confusion. Does it matter if the course offers some kind of certification? Is there any company/school that would help on a resume if a person is just starting out? Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline Reeder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline Reeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Lisa Jo! Thank you for covering the commission issue as it is one of my pet peeves as a grant writer. There are so many factors that determine whether a proposal will be funded and most have nothing to do with how well the proposal was written. I&#039;ve found that most organizations that try to get away with paying commission have no business trying to get a grant in the first place. I look forward to the rest of your series.

Best,
Caroline Reeder
www.careersingrantwriting.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Lisa Jo! Thank you for covering the commission issue as it is one of my pet peeves as a grant writer. There are so many factors that determine whether a proposal will be funded and most have nothing to do with how well the proposal was written. I&#8217;ve found that most organizations that try to get away with paying commission have no business trying to get a grant in the first place. I look forward to the rest of your series.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Caroline Reeder<br />
<a href="http://www.careersingrantwriting.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.careersingrantwriting.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: LIsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>LIsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh.  Your experience is very different from mine.

I do very very little math when writing a grant - and have never created a flow chart.  Basically, I let my clients know &quot;I&#039;m a writer, not an accountant,&quot; and that seems to cover it.  I have the client do their own budgeting, too.

In addition, I almost never meet with clients: almost all of my clients are far too distant to make that practical. We meet by phone; they review drafts.  So I am absolutely a WAHM!

I think it depends largely on what kinds of grants you&#039;re writing, and for whom.  But the federal grants I&#039;ve done (the biggies) are almost exclusively in the cultural and educational realms (with a bit of science tossed in) - and I&#039;ve written plenty of smaller and/or foundation grants that are straight narrative.

Lisa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh.  Your experience is very different from mine.</p>
<p>I do very very little math when writing a grant &#8211; and have never created a flow chart.  Basically, I let my clients know &#8220;I&#8217;m a writer, not an accountant,&#8221; and that seems to cover it.  I have the client do their own budgeting, too.</p>
<p>In addition, I almost never meet with clients: almost all of my clients are far too distant to make that practical. We meet by phone; they review drafts.  So I am absolutely a WAHM!</p>
<p>I think it depends largely on what kinds of grants you&#8217;re writing, and for whom.  But the federal grants I&#8217;ve done (the biggies) are almost exclusively in the cultural and educational realms (with a bit of science tossed in) &#8211; and I&#8217;ve written plenty of smaller and/or foundation grants that are straight narrative.</p>
<p>Lisa</p>
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		<title>By: Allena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you thank you thank you! 

Also, I did an internship in grant writing, and I think another thing that writers looking to go into the field should know is that it&#039;s MUCH more math and research than it is writing. Most grants want more tables, charts, graphics, flow ideas, etc, than they want written promises. You&#039;re also looking at a massive amount of meetings with the client, so if you&#039;re one of those writers who write at night and spend your day raising a family, grant writing may not be for you.

But thank you for this, I cannot tell you how many new non profs think they can pay a grant writer from grant monies. It&#039;s ridiculous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you thank you thank you! </p>
<p>Also, I did an internship in grant writing, and I think another thing that writers looking to go into the field should know is that it&#8217;s MUCH more math and research than it is writing. Most grants want more tables, charts, graphics, flow ideas, etc, than they want written promises. You&#8217;re also looking at a massive amount of meetings with the client, so if you&#8217;re one of those writers who write at night and spend your day raising a family, grant writing may not be for you.</p>
<p>But thank you for this, I cannot tell you how many new non profs think they can pay a grant writer from grant monies. It&#8217;s ridiculous!</p>
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