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		<title>By: Freelance Writing Jobs for December 7, 2009 : Freelance Writing Jobs for Web and Print&#124; Part of the Freelance Writing Jobs Blog Network</title>
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		<description>[...] in order to get your foot in the door. Sure, you could try that. Consider this though, when you negotiate lower rates, clients catch on quickly. They know you won&#8217;t stand firm. They know they can [...]</description>
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		<description>[...] sometimes talk about sticking to our guns when it comes to rates and how it&#8217;s not always a good idea to negotiate, but there are also times we when need to show our clients a little love by offering discounts or [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 40 Lessons Learned in Ten Years as a Freelance Writer : Freelance Writing Jobs &#124; A Freelance Writing Community</title>
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		<description>[...] set your rate, great. Now what happens when your client won&#8217;t pay that amount and wants to negotiate? Your options are to go lower or go on your merry way. No one likes to lose a client, but by giving [...]</description>
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		<title>By: AuroraGG</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer to discuss a project with a client and ask what they are paying rather than give out a rate card. After knowing the scope of the project I set a dollar amount in my head that is the minimum I would do the job for.

If I like what they offer, great. If it is far too low, I move on quickly. If they come close, I let them know I could do the project for a bit more -- or I could cut a requirement or two and stay within the budget they have to work with. I find this is a faster way to get jobs booked. The amount of time you need to spend in e-mail and on the phone with a client is less, and you don&#039;t waste precious &quot;writing&quot; time preparing a plan or portfolio for a client who can&#039;t afford you in the first place.

I don&#039;t negotiate to get more money per job, I negotiate to get more work at a rate I am happy with. When a client looks promising for future work, I&#039;ll negotiate lower rates to obtain long-term contracts. If I know a client has an ongoing need for a freelancer, or they currently uses multiple freelancers at the price my initial job was for, I will offer to do 2 or 3 articles at a lower, combined rate and pick up as much steady work as I can from that client. If it is ongoing without an end date in the near future, I&#039;ll go even lower on the combined rate for a 6 or 12 month agreement.

It may seem strange to those who set rates, but this process has worked very well for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer to discuss a project with a client and ask what they are paying rather than give out a rate card. After knowing the scope of the project I set a dollar amount in my head that is the minimum I would do the job for.</p>
<p>If I like what they offer, great. If it is far too low, I move on quickly. If they come close, I let them know I could do the project for a bit more &#8212; or I could cut a requirement or two and stay within the budget they have to work with. I find this is a faster way to get jobs booked. The amount of time you need to spend in e-mail and on the phone with a client is less, and you don&#8217;t waste precious &#8220;writing&#8221; time preparing a plan or portfolio for a client who can&#8217;t afford you in the first place.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t negotiate to get more money per job, I negotiate to get more work at a rate I am happy with. When a client looks promising for future work, I&#8217;ll negotiate lower rates to obtain long-term contracts. If I know a client has an ongoing need for a freelancer, or they currently uses multiple freelancers at the price my initial job was for, I will offer to do 2 or 3 articles at a lower, combined rate and pick up as much steady work as I can from that client. If it is ongoing without an end date in the near future, I&#8217;ll go even lower on the combined rate for a 6 or 12 month agreement.</p>
<p>It may seem strange to those who set rates, but this process has worked very well for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a full-time freelance writer for 20 years, and I find there&#039;s very little negotiating. A client comes to me with a project, asks what I&#039;d charge, and I give him a quote. He&#039;ll either say yes or disappear. It&#039;s rare that anyone makes a counteroffer or tries to negotiate.

On the other hand, I admit I charge at the high end, so a low-baller isn&#039;t going to bother with me. If someone is looking to pay $200 for a writing project, and I ask for $5,000, he really doesn&#039;t have much room for negotiating.

On the other other hand, I see nothing intrinsically wrong with negotiation. The difference is that negotiating doesn&#039;t mean simply caving in. It&#039;s finding alternative solutions. Maybe I can charge less if they contract more work at once (not vague promises of future work, but 5 jobs now instead of 1.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a full-time freelance writer for 20 years, and I find there&#8217;s very little negotiating. A client comes to me with a project, asks what I&#8217;d charge, and I give him a quote. He&#8217;ll either say yes or disappear. It&#8217;s rare that anyone makes a counteroffer or tries to negotiate.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I admit I charge at the high end, so a low-baller isn&#8217;t going to bother with me. If someone is looking to pay $200 for a writing project, and I ask for $5,000, he really doesn&#8217;t have much room for negotiating.</p>
<p>On the other other hand, I see nothing intrinsically wrong with negotiation. The difference is that negotiating doesn&#8217;t mean simply caving in. It&#8217;s finding alternative solutions. Maybe I can charge less if they contract more work at once (not vague promises of future work, but 5 jobs now instead of 1.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jodee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 02:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you are expecting too much. Sometimes you need to set your price, communicate it to the potential client (along with the benefits of hiring you) and then stop talking. If he or she wants to pay $15/hour then they are free to do so. You have no control over that.

If the client wants *you* to do the work, he or she will have to decide whether they are willing to pay the rates you have set for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you are expecting too much. Sometimes you need to set your price, communicate it to the potential client (along with the benefits of hiring you) and then stop talking. If he or she wants to pay $15/hour then they are free to do so. You have no control over that.</p>
<p>If the client wants *you* to do the work, he or she will have to decide whether they are willing to pay the rates you have set for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Patti Pearson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patti Pearson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am continually amazed at how low potential clients are stating &#039;others are willing&#039; to work for. I recently got excited about a potential new client. I gave him an introductory rate of $35/hour for the first 8 hour project, but stated I normally make between $45-$65 depending on the project. He replied that he had many available for $15/hour. I didn&#039;t budge, but am &#039;hungry.&#039; I&#039;ve read &#039;the well-fed writer&#039; website comments stating we can easily make between $40-$75/hour. Is it the economy? Am I expecting too much? Can anyone out there give me a good source for &#039;average freelance writer rates?&quot; This was an SEO job, which I believe should rank among the higher fees of tech writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am continually amazed at how low potential clients are stating &#8216;others are willing&#8217; to work for. I recently got excited about a potential new client. I gave him an introductory rate of $35/hour for the first 8 hour project, but stated I normally make between $45-$65 depending on the project. He replied that he had many available for $15/hour. I didn&#8217;t budge, but am &#8216;hungry.&#8217; I&#8217;ve read &#8216;the well-fed writer&#8217; website comments stating we can easily make between $40-$75/hour. Is it the economy? Am I expecting too much? Can anyone out there give me a good source for &#8216;average freelance writer rates?&#8221; This was an SEO job, which I believe should rank among the higher fees of tech writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca Laffar-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca Laffar-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I NEVER negotiate rates. I work for a flat fee, it is a standard across everything I do. But, the price of my services varies. What makes the difference on one end of the spectrum to the other is what I include in the service. If someone wants me to design a website there are several things I could do. If they want it on the cheap, there are things I could do, that I won&#039;t. It&#039;s like buying a car. You can buy the standard model or you add rust proofing and seat covers.

I think, for freelancers, that is the best way to approach their rates. It&#039;s like the difference you&#039;ll charge between writing a 400 word article and an 800 word article. The difference you&#039;ll charge for a keyword article vs. an opinion piece. The difference you charge between white-paper and catalog descriptions. The expanse of the service, rather than the service itself is negotiable.

If someone wants you to write 20 keyword articles of 400 words on a topic that requires little research, you have a firm idea of exactly the aspects of service they want you to provide and you should be able to set a non-negotiable price. If you negotiate on that, what you&#039;re really doing is saying, I didn&#039;t estimate the work involved correctly or I don&#039;t value my time as much as I thought.

But, as you said, it comes down to mindset. When I take on a commission, I consider it an opportunity to work WITH a business or individual. They are not my master, they have come to me asking me for aid because I do something they could not do as well as I can. Many freelancers are in the earlier stages of their career where they feel they need to beg and earn work. I think the &quot;bid for jobs&quot; style of job hunting sites are one of the culprits that keep people in that mindset.

Break out! Stop asking other people to put a value on you. Put the value on yourself. Whatever you believe you are worth is exactly how much you can ask for, and earn, from your clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I NEVER negotiate rates. I work for a flat fee, it is a standard across everything I do. But, the price of my services varies. What makes the difference on one end of the spectrum to the other is what I include in the service. If someone wants me to design a website there are several things I could do. If they want it on the cheap, there are things I could do, that I won&#8217;t. It&#8217;s like buying a car. You can buy the standard model or you add rust proofing and seat covers.</p>
<p>I think, for freelancers, that is the best way to approach their rates. It&#8217;s like the difference you&#8217;ll charge between writing a 400 word article and an 800 word article. The difference you&#8217;ll charge for a keyword article vs. an opinion piece. The difference you charge between white-paper and catalog descriptions. The expanse of the service, rather than the service itself is negotiable.</p>
<p>If someone wants you to write 20 keyword articles of 400 words on a topic that requires little research, you have a firm idea of exactly the aspects of service they want you to provide and you should be able to set a non-negotiable price. If you negotiate on that, what you&#8217;re really doing is saying, I didn&#8217;t estimate the work involved correctly or I don&#8217;t value my time as much as I thought.</p>
<p>But, as you said, it comes down to mindset. When I take on a commission, I consider it an opportunity to work WITH a business or individual. They are not my master, they have come to me asking me for aid because I do something they could not do as well as I can. Many freelancers are in the earlier stages of their career where they feel they need to beg and earn work. I think the &#8220;bid for jobs&#8221; style of job hunting sites are one of the culprits that keep people in that mindset.</p>
<p>Break out! Stop asking other people to put a value on you. Put the value on yourself. Whatever you believe you are worth is exactly how much you can ask for, and earn, from your clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Tess Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tess Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jodee,

What great points you make about why freelancers get into the negotiation dance with clients! For the past two years as a freelance writer, I&#039;ve had success with clearly stating my prices and letting clients decide if they can afford me. While I do keep my rates low and offer specials and discounts so that the average start-up can take advantage of my services, I know what I need to earn to survive as a freelancer. It&#039;s true that it does take time to get out of that employer-employee mindset as a new freelancer, but what it comes down to is earning what you are worth out there and not settling for less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jodee,</p>
<p>What great points you make about why freelancers get into the negotiation dance with clients! For the past two years as a freelance writer, I&#8217;ve had success with clearly stating my prices and letting clients decide if they can afford me. While I do keep my rates low and offer specials and discounts so that the average start-up can take advantage of my services, I know what I need to earn to survive as a freelancer. It&#8217;s true that it does take time to get out of that employer-employee mindset as a new freelancer, but what it comes down to is earning what you are worth out there and not settling for less.</p>
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