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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by FreelanceWJ: New Blog Post: Complaining About Your Freelance Writing Clients http://bit.ly/bqMg35...</description>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by FreelanceWJ: New Blog Post: Complaining About Your Freelance Writing Clients <a href="http://bit.ly/bqMg35.." rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/bqMg35..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Freelance Overload and Derailment: Chaos, Exhaustion, Frumpiness, Good Picking and Karma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freelance Overload and Derailment: Chaos, Exhaustion, Frumpiness, Good Picking and Karma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Writing Frump,  a blog I discovered prior to writing about why I don&#8217;t complain about clients here (or anywhere).  Writing Frump is an anonymous blog that consists of regular rants about how [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of Writing Frump,  a blog I discovered prior to writing about why I don&#8217;t complain about clients here (or anywhere).  Writing Frump is an anonymous blog that consists of regular rants about how [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Carson Brackney</title>
		<link>http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/2010/03/complaining-about-your-freelance-writing-clients/comment-page-1/#comment-122056</link>
		<dc:creator>Carson Brackney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KK-  Maybe it&#039;s all a matter of degree.  I tend to think that your MFAs are almost ALWAYS extremely well-deserved, after all.  I think the stuff that rubs me the wrong way is the griping I see about clients who are just a little more high maintenance than others or who happen to be three days late with a payment or who request a change in the nature of the project due to unforeseen circumstances, etc.  

Those folks might be a PITA sometimes--and there ARE occasions when the issues inch over into *Screw You!* territory, but I see a number of writers pulling the trigger on initiating a gripe session a lot more quickly than I think is justified.

I don&#039;t know where one draws the line between &quot;ugh&quot; and &quot;I want the world to know about this massive PITA with whom I&#039;m dealing.&quot;  I do think there are potential consequences when the line is drawn in the wrong place, though.  You seem to draw it in a good spot, which is why I mentioned the blog in the first place--unlike the complaints that really make scratch my head, you&#039;re not going haywire on someone just because they fell slightly short of Perfect Client status.

I didn&#039;t think you sounded defensive, btw.  Plus, this conversation has been valuable in terms of adding a little dimension to the original post.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KK-  Maybe it&#8217;s all a matter of degree.  I tend to think that your MFAs are almost ALWAYS extremely well-deserved, after all.  I think the stuff that rubs me the wrong way is the griping I see about clients who are just a little more high maintenance than others or who happen to be three days late with a payment or who request a change in the nature of the project due to unforeseen circumstances, etc.  </p>
<p>Those folks might be a PITA sometimes&#8211;and there ARE occasions when the issues inch over into *Screw You!* territory, but I see a number of writers pulling the trigger on initiating a gripe session a lot more quickly than I think is justified.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where one draws the line between &#8220;ugh&#8221; and &#8220;I want the world to know about this massive PITA with whom I&#8217;m dealing.&#8221;  I do think there are potential consequences when the line is drawn in the wrong place, though.  You seem to draw it in a good spot, which is why I mentioned the blog in the first place&#8211;unlike the complaints that really make scratch my head, you&#8217;re not going haywire on someone just because they fell slightly short of Perfect Client status.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t think you sounded defensive, btw.  Plus, this conversation has been valuable in terms of adding a little dimension to the original post.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Irreverent Freelancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irreverent Freelancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly don&#039;t worry about it. The prospective clients who see my blog and decide not to work with me because of it? I consider myself better off for not having to contend with them in the first place. It&#039;s precisely that type of client who is going to turn into a &lt;i&gt;Screw You!&lt;/i&gt; situation. Experience has proven this to be true. Then, and these are the really good ones, I&#039;ve had clients who know all about my blog before they work with me who then go on to commit the same sins I rant about. When I start hard-nosing them, they get all defensive with &quot;I know all about your blog.&quot; Oh really? Then why did you hire me in the first place? It&#039;s not something I ever intended to result from it, but my blog is probably one of the biggest determining factors in ensuring I get screwed as infrequently as possible. 

I agree with you in one regard: It&#039;s ALWAYS best to first attempt to deal with client problems behind closed doors. One only makes an appearance on my blog when such attempts have utterly failed. And I bet a lot of your readers would be surprised with how much leeway I give my clients before I go the exposure route. 

I didn&#039;t mean to sound defensive, and I also didn&#039;t mean to overlook your mention of my blog. Thanks for the shout-out.
.-= Irreverent Freelancer´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://irreverentfreelancer.blogspot.com/2010/03/ultimate-get-clue-freelance-request-for.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Ultimate Get-a-Clue Freelance Request for the Week of March 1, 2010&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly don&#8217;t worry about it. The prospective clients who see my blog and decide not to work with me because of it? I consider myself better off for not having to contend with them in the first place. It&#8217;s precisely that type of client who is going to turn into a <i>Screw You!</i> situation. Experience has proven this to be true. Then, and these are the really good ones, I&#8217;ve had clients who know all about my blog before they work with me who then go on to commit the same sins I rant about. When I start hard-nosing them, they get all defensive with &#8220;I know all about your blog.&#8221; Oh really? Then why did you hire me in the first place? It&#8217;s not something I ever intended to result from it, but my blog is probably one of the biggest determining factors in ensuring I get screwed as infrequently as possible. </p>
<p>I agree with you in one regard: It&#8217;s ALWAYS best to first attempt to deal with client problems behind closed doors. One only makes an appearance on my blog when such attempts have utterly failed. And I bet a lot of your readers would be surprised with how much leeway I give my clients before I go the exposure route. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to sound defensive, and I also didn&#8217;t mean to overlook your mention of my blog. Thanks for the shout-out.<br />
.-= Irreverent Freelancer´s last blog ..<a href="http://irreverentfreelancer.blogspot.com/2010/03/ultimate-get-clue-freelance-request-for.html" rel="nofollow">The Ultimate Get-a-Clue Freelance Request for the Week of March 1, 2010</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Carson Brackney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carson Brackney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi KK-

Well, you&#039;re absolutely right that a dreadful client shouldn&#039;t remain on the roster.  A few things, though...

First, I often see client complaints that don&#039;t measure up to &quot;Middle Finger Award&quot; standards taking heat on writer blogs.  In those situations, it just seems more reasonable to deal with it &quot;behind closed doors,&quot; so to speak.

Second, I still wonder about the reaction other prospective clients might have to some of the rants I read.  I know that I&#039;d be turned off a little from working with a client who blogged big ol&#039; rants about his/her latest writer--even if I knew I would do a much better job than my predecessor.  

Maybe when we&#039;re out on the fringes with the crazies, it&#039;s a little different.  Railing on some of those ads you find probably has less impact in that regard than griping about less egregious offenses.

One other thing...  I was thinking about Irreverent Freelancer, which I read regularly and recommend to others, and wonder if you may have found the best way to bring the heat without hurting your business.  You keep the action on another website dedicated to the issue and you primarily shine a light on the Really Really bad operators.  Perceptually, that may be quite different than when one bags on his/her own clients as part of their primary business presentation.

Thanks for the comment.  As noted, I&#039;m not necessarily a hardliner on this stuff.   

Carson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi KK-</p>
<p>Well, you&#8217;re absolutely right that a dreadful client shouldn&#8217;t remain on the roster.  A few things, though&#8230;</p>
<p>First, I often see client complaints that don&#8217;t measure up to &#8220;Middle Finger Award&#8221; standards taking heat on writer blogs.  In those situations, it just seems more reasonable to deal with it &#8220;behind closed doors,&#8221; so to speak.</p>
<p>Second, I still wonder about the reaction other prospective clients might have to some of the rants I read.  I know that I&#8217;d be turned off a little from working with a client who blogged big ol&#8217; rants about his/her latest writer&#8211;even if I knew I would do a much better job than my predecessor.  </p>
<p>Maybe when we&#8217;re out on the fringes with the crazies, it&#8217;s a little different.  Railing on some of those ads you find probably has less impact in that regard than griping about less egregious offenses.</p>
<p>One other thing&#8230;  I was thinking about Irreverent Freelancer, which I read regularly and recommend to others, and wonder if you may have found the best way to bring the heat without hurting your business.  You keep the action on another website dedicated to the issue and you primarily shine a light on the Really Really bad operators.  Perceptually, that may be quite different than when one bags on his/her own clients as part of their primary business presentation.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment.  As noted, I&#8217;m not necessarily a hardliner on this stuff.   </p>
<p>Carson</p>
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		<title>By: P.S. Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>P.S. Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say it&#039;s fine to get a blog post out of a client experience, but only if you can make it general enough that no one could say that you&#039;re talking about one client. The reason you should necessarily call out clients is because you&#039;re not always right and you don&#039;t always know the whole story. You might end up embarrassing yourself and the client.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say it&#8217;s fine to get a blog post out of a client experience, but only if you can make it general enough that no one could say that you&#8217;re talking about one client. The reason you should necessarily call out clients is because you&#8217;re not always right and you don&#8217;t always know the whole story. You might end up embarrassing yourself and the client.</p>
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		<title>By: Irreverent Freelancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irreverent Freelancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carson said, &quot;I’d hate to alienate or upset any of them by calling them out in public.&quot; But why would you keep a client you feel the need to call out publicly? Any client who makes an appearance on &lt;i&gt;Screw You!&lt;/i&gt; is no longer a client--with very good reason.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carson said, &#8220;I’d hate to alienate or upset any of them by calling them out in public.&#8221; But why would you keep a client you feel the need to call out publicly? Any client who makes an appearance on <i>Screw You!</i> is no longer a client&#8211;with very good reason.<br />
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would never dream of calling out a client on my social media accounts or blog, but I have been known to gripe about truly dreadful Craigslist calls for freelance writers (you know, the vague, misspelled ones with no payment mentioned ...) on Twitter. Is there a danger in doing that, do you think? In some ways, that can serve as a &quot;writer beware&quot; for others. It&#039;s a fine line between public service and unnecessary trash-talking, though ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would never dream of calling out a client on my social media accounts or blog, but I have been known to gripe about truly dreadful Craigslist calls for freelance writers (you know, the vague, misspelled ones with no payment mentioned &#8230;) on Twitter. Is there a danger in doing that, do you think? In some ways, that can serve as a &#8220;writer beware&#8221; for others. It&#8217;s a fine line between public service and unnecessary trash-talking, though &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Deb Ng</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb Ng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what I think...

As a sometimes client the last thing I want is to hire a writer who calls out clients or gripes about them, because I don&#039;t want to be on the receiving end. Even if the writing is amazing and creative, I wouldn&#039;t hire someone who publicly rants about clients. I tend to avoid negativity anyway.

I think if bloggers inform readers or traps and pitfalls, that&#039;s never a bad thing. Nowadays clients are Googling their writers. First impressions matter. So if you&#039;re going to discuss the dark side of freelancing, it&#039;s not a good idea to name names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what I think&#8230;</p>
<p>As a sometimes client the last thing I want is to hire a writer who calls out clients or gripes about them, because I don&#8217;t want to be on the receiving end. Even if the writing is amazing and creative, I wouldn&#8217;t hire someone who publicly rants about clients. I tend to avoid negativity anyway.</p>
<p>I think if bloggers inform readers or traps and pitfalls, that&#8217;s never a bad thing. Nowadays clients are Googling their writers. First impressions matter. So if you&#8217;re going to discuss the dark side of freelancing, it&#8217;s not a good idea to name names.</p>
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		<title>By: Discussing Client Gripes at Freelance Writing Jobs&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Discussing Client Gripes at Freelance Writing Jobs&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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